Keir and Angela’s drinks party

Well, thank you Daily Mail for confirming my thinking.

What I can't understand is just how unknowledgeable you have to be to believe this "everyone is doing it" message.

If my neighbour killed a member of my family and was charged and found guilty they have been properly dealt with. If part of the way they try to keep whatever integrity they think they previously had, was to accuse me of killing spider, they would be laughed out of court.

But this is exactly what the Mail and the Tories are doing. Johnson broke the law. Not only that it was a law he and his party had brought in, at a time others were grieving but obeying the laws and rules.

Starmer has not broken any law and these articles are pathetic. Sadly we will have the idiots, who want a point to argue but can't find a real one, now attempting to destroy our belief in our democracy and everyone taking part in it - as if they haven't already done enough damage.

Galaxy, I looked at the DM on line this morning. Farcical is a great description of the long, tedious nonsense printed in this issue

I am guessing Richard Holden is regretting his attempts to get back into Johnsons good books, (he is very much out of favour and this is what this is about) he was having a curry at work in the same week of Starmers drinks. Its a bit farcical really.

Or even 'Excellent'...

volver

And..?

Indeed, volver. So what....?

Exceent post, DaisyAnne ?

Well put DaisyAnne.

And..?

This is from the BBC News page

After all the relentless droning on day after day, about Boris having a drink, the very same month we now find that Keir and Angela did the same

The same month? It wasn't even the same year.

And there were exceptions for canvassing.

Tory press getting desparate.

growstuff

Casdon

You shouldn’t laugh, but it broke here - look at the headline!
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10764839/Keir-Starmer-flouted-Covid-lockdown-guidance-birthday-bash-TWO-cakes.html

I'm a bit confused here. What date are we talking about? Starmer's birthday is on 2 September, when England wasn't in lockdown.

I'm glad I wasn't the only confused person. ?

Agree,*DaisyAnne*, exactly what's happening

Casdon

You shouldn’t laugh, but it broke here - look at the headline!
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10764839/Keir-Starmer-flouted-Covid-lockdown-guidance-birthday-bash-TWO-cakes.html

I'm a bit confused here. What date are we talking about? Starmer's birthday is on 2 September, when England wasn't in lockdown.

Well said.

Allsorts

After all the relentless droning on day after day, about Boris having a drink, the very same month we now find that Keir and Angela did the same. Pity the video came out or they might have got away with it, What hypocrisy, I believe the Durham police are going to treat this in exactly the same way as the conservatives were, or perhaps it’s different rules when you are the opposition, so let’s wait for the sort of apology Boris gave, the sort of grief Keir relentlessly day after day, war or no war, inflicted on Boris to resign, let’s hope he gets the same. All the time knowing what they had done but not owned up to and banking on not being caught out. Talk about two faced. How can you believe award he says. As he was fond of saying, rules are rules whomever you are. (If you are caught out).

Just how low can these damnable Tories sink? First, they tried to win with lies - they are still doing that. But the people have got Johnson's measure. They know him, they know this government; they know its supporters for the deliberate lies that have and are being told.

So now we have a new policy to deceive. The Tories know that Partygate, on top of all the other lies, has hit home. Now they are out to drag everyone down. To make the electors believe that "everyone is doing it". But they are not. These are more lies. Not only that. Just listen to those who support the Great British Liar in his lies, attempting to claim the moral high ground. On what?

Did the PM and many of those at Downing Street break Covid laws? Yes, they did. The police have charged him and them and sent them fines. If you pay the fine, you are admitting your guilt. The social gatherings were illegal.

Did Keir Starmer break the Covid laws? No, he was working. They had been out door-knocking. Canvessing was specifically allowed under a clause permitting campaigning at that time. They stopped to eat. That, not surprisingly, was allowed too. There was no law about what you ate or drank that applied to the socialising at No. 10 or when campaigning. Did Angela Rayner being there or not make a difference. Not one iota. A statement has been issued to say that the report that Angela Rayner was not there was a mistake made in "good faith". Even when the PM acknowledges deliberate lies he goes on to repeat them again and again.

The Tories know the public will now suspect everything Johnson says of being a lie. Before the Tory voter thought these lies didn't matter, they didn't hurt them after all. Oh, how wrong can you be? Now they matter. Now that is how they see him - a man who parties while their loved ones die alone. He has betrayed them.

So they take a line out of the fascist handbook - to accuse the other side of that which you are guilty. They are out to poison the country's trust in all politicians. Then, at least they won't go into the next election with no trust any of the electors. Yet another attempt to destroy our democracy.

My comments relate to the two specific incidents, not the wider context. The police look at each incident. The other stuff is not relevant within the application or otherwise of the law

Surely the key point is we aren’t comparing like with like
Staff at Downing Street bought a drinks fridge, there were regular trips to stock up the booze. There were a series of events where guidance was ignored or flouted
Johnson has a long history of ignoring normal rules of engagement, lying and seemingly believing he’s above the rules or expectations most of us abide by
Starmer’s reputation is for honesty and integrity

Casdon

Can you believe this. Richard Holden is the Tory MP who has pressed the police to reopen the case into the Labour event.

But a statement on the North West Durham MP’s own Facebook page from May 1 last year casts his campaign in an awkward light.

Posting about a visit to Gurkhas in Kent the week before, he said: “It was particularly great to meet the young Gurkha soldiers and to chat with them properly over lunch in their mess and to find out more about them and their families back in Nepal.”

Unbelievable! ??

Apologies Madgran77, that was shorthand for the usual people who post on the Political threads and know each other well enough to know their allegiances. I wasn’t assuming anything about other people

OK

As we oldies remember Nixon - it's the lying that gets you. Johnson constantly lies.

Liars to the left of me, Liars to the right and here am I stuck in the middle politically homeless…

Madgran77

Where did "Tory Posters" come from? Who are the "Tory posters" in this discussion then? Or the "Labour Posters" for that matter!

Dear Me!

Apologies Madgran77, that was shorthand for the usual people who post on the Political threads and know each other well enough to know their allegiances. I wasn’t assuming anything about other people.

Can you believe this. Richard Holden is the Tory MP who has pressed the police to reopen the case into the Labour event.

But a statement on the North West Durham MP’s own Facebook page from May 1 last year casts his campaign in an awkward light.

Posting about a visit to Gurkhas in Kent the week before, he said: “It was particularly great to meet the young Gurkha soldiers and to chat with them properly over lunch in their mess and to find out more about them and their families back in Nepal.”

Where did "Tory Posters" come from? Who are the "Tory posters" in this discussion then? Or the "Labour Posters" for that matter!

Dear Me!

If it hasn't come from the police or Sue Grey then it's hearsay and not reliable

True! But on that basis, Keirs, Angela's, Labour Party and cronies statements are just as much hearsay.

In both cases the people involved are making statements about what happened. And that information from the people involved begs the question about what the differences are between the two events. And why the police interpretation is so different!

Who knows!

It would be good to know the content of Sue Grays report. But there won't be one on beer and pizza gate!

What, MaizieD surely you can’t be right, the Daily Mail is far more reliable than the police! I’m expecting some of the Tory posters to start calling Sir Keir ‘Two Cakes’ any minute now.