Keir and Angela’s drinks party

We had a drinks fridge but no raucous parties.

Google how many cocktail parties, lunch and dinner functions are held at Downing Street.

It is not just a workplace.

I think what aveline is trying to suggest is that as it is an office people are entitled to stop for a drink and bite to eat. However what she is not putting into the equation was the law at the time.

What happened in No 10 was against the law. We know that because the police say so. It was a crime.

People are entertained in offices. At my firm we regularly entertained clients - lunches and after work drinks - in the office.

Every place I worked at had a fridge. Offices in general do.
Angela and Keir party 30 April, just after the other one, how could Keir a lawyer forget Angela was there, to forget that what else had he and her conveniently forgotten. He really would make a poor lawyer with such short term memory loss, but he does however know the law, all the time slamming the other side. The public are not daft they will make up their own minds, 8ndont care about either one if them having a drink with people they work with, it’s ridiculous..They have been caught out and their memories are back.. Labour honest mistake of course, , Tory a cover up. Both places of work and both in lockdown. I do think lying to the house and misleading it, for whatever reason is not one, so that’s Boris, Angela and Keir out for a start.

Allsorts

Every place I worked at had a fridge. Offices in general do.
Angela and Keir party 30 April, just after the other one, how could Keir a lawyer forget Angela was there, to forget that what else had he and her conveniently forgotten. He really would make a poor lawyer with such short term memory loss, but he does however know the law, all the time slamming the other side. The public are not daft they will make up their own minds, 8ndont care about either one if them having a drink with people they work with, it’s ridiculous..They have been caught out and their memories are back.. Labour honest mistake of course, , Tory a cover up. Both places of work and both in lockdown. I do think lying to the house and misleading it, for whatever reason is not one, so that’s Boris, Angela and Keir out for a start.

Of course we had a fridge.

It was full of Morrison's sandwiches and week-old milk.

Not beer.

Aveline

My point is that No10 Downing Street is a workplace. There is also a flat on the top floor. Scroll back over the previous posts and you'll (probably) get my point.

You obviously cannot explain why what you say makes sense as it makes no sense at all Aveline. There are some other posters sadly, more competent at posting fake and misleading news.

Johnson and those with him broke the law. Starmer and those with him did not.

Johnson's party was apparently mild in comparison to those to come. The police were happy to help Johnson with this by delaying the announcement of the fines. If they hadn't, that is what we would be talking about. This is a complete distraction which those who peddle extremist views set out to cause.

This has all been an attempt to 'polish a turd' by throwing the muck from it at other, cleaner party.

other another

"Johnson and those with him broke the law. Starmer and those with him did not."
No, Boris has been fined, Keir hasn't, yet.

So do explain, HolySox, why Boris hasn't broken the law? That seems to be what you are trying to prove.

Just to help HolySox. Johnson has admitted he broke the law.

HolySox

"Johnson and those with him broke the law. Starmer and those with him did not."
No, Boris has been fined, Keir hasn't, yet.

That is a police decision HolySox, you are assuming too much on the basis of what you think you know.

I worked in a government department. We had umpteen fridges. And an awful lot of alcohol.

However, about 10 years ago the alcohol was banned. There were complaints that this ban didn't reach the HoC. Maybe it will soon.

As for these fines. Nobody is an actual criminal. They won't have a criminal record.

Not supporting any team here, just pointing out that an FPN is not the same as having a criminal record.

But it does mean that you broke the law, doesn't it?

Keir Starmer
These are strange answers from a man who yesterday claimed to be making a humble apology. Does the Prime Minister actually accept that he broke the law?

The Prime Minister
Yes, Mr Speaker, I have been absolutely clear that I humbly accept what the police have said.

Personally, I would believe that KS knows a lot more about when the phrase broke the law is appropriate than any of us do.

So I repeat "Johnson and those with him broke the law. Starmer and those with him did not." and really, nothing else is relevant; it's just an attempt a muck slinging.

It’s just an attempt by the Mail to stir up rubbish before the elections,

Well yes, but also an attempt by some GN members to push the Tory propoganda which is so often fake news.

DaisyAnne

Well yes, but also an attempt by some GN members to push the Tory propoganda which is so often fake news.

I'm not pushing any propaganda. I honestly find politics to be somewhat of a disaster zone at present.

I wonder where and how it will all end.

volver

Allsorts

Every place I worked at had a fridge. Offices in general do.
Angela and Keir party 30 April, just after the other one, how could Keir a lawyer forget Angela was there, to forget that what else had he and her conveniently forgotten. He really would make a poor lawyer with such short term memory loss, but he does however know the law, all the time slamming the other side. The public are not daft they will make up their own minds, 8ndont care about either one if them having a drink with people they work with, it’s ridiculous..They have been caught out and their memories are back.. Labour honest mistake of course, , Tory a cover up. Both places of work and both in lockdown. I do think lying to the house and misleading it, for whatever reason is not one, so that’s Boris, Angela and Keir out for a start.

Of course we had a fridge.

It was full of Morrison's sandwiches and week-old milk.

Not beer.

Have a look in a biology technician's fridge. It usually has the odd rat or bull's eye lurking somewhere.

Allsorts

Every place I worked at had a fridge. Offices in general do.
Angela and Keir party 30 April, just after the other one, how could Keir a lawyer forget Angela was there, to forget that what else had he and her conveniently forgotten. He really would make a poor lawyer with such short term memory loss, but he does however know the law, all the time slamming the other side. The public are not daft they will make up their own minds, 8ndont care about either one if them having a drink with people they work with, it’s ridiculous..They have been caught out and their memories are back.. Labour honest mistake of course, , Tory a cover up. Both places of work and both in lockdown. I do think lying to the house and misleading it, for whatever reason is not one, so that’s Boris, Angela and Keir out for a start.

I'm struggling with this gibberish.

The event Johnson, and his now wife, were fined for took place in June 2020, when Lockdown rules were more strict. For a start, his wife should not have been present. No.10 is not her home, her home is the flat at No. 11. While we have no idea where the office actually was, 'No. 10' as a workplace being a blanket description of a large number of offices in No.10, No. 11 and adjoining buildings, it is clear that she was not in her residence. against lockdown rules.

The Starmer incident took place in April 2021. Almost a year later when lockdown rules were different and anyway, as DaisyMay pointed out upthread, people canvassing for the by-election had been given an exemption from the 'rules'.

So what is all this twaddle about them both being in the same month and year?

I'm curious to know if people really think that having a drink with a meal constitutes a 'party'. Are all those people who might have a glass of wine with a meal having a 'party'?

As for Rayner's presence, she was party of the working group. She was doing nothing illegal. It wasn't 'denied' that she was there, she just got missed off a list.

I've asked this twice on this thread, but had no answer; what possible motive could anyone have for 'covering up' the fact that she was present when she was doing nothing wrong? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

But please don't let facts and logic get in the way of an ill informed rant...

Excuse multiple punctuation errors and typos. I should have proof read...

You won't get an answer Maizie; there isn't one. This thread was simply an attempt, straight from a Johnson supporting newspaper, I would guess, to say that all politicians are the same.

The one thing that has come out of the thread is that they are not. In this instance, if we go back to factual information, no one lied about AR's not being at a perfectly legal event. It was an irrelevant clerical and proof-reading error when putting names on a list.

But, and this is sooo much more important, we still have a PM who does lie - frequently. We also have a PM who has broken the law, thus becoming the first PM to have officially been found to have done so. Those things will not go away by making up imaginary faults for others.

I have no problem with any of the criticism levelled at BJ, but it does make a nonsense of it when people leap to the defence of the LP and KS’s errors are dressed up as OK or ‘different situations’ or ‘genuine mistakes.’

My turn to state the obvious, I suppose.

Johnson attended and possibly organised events that were illegal at the time because of lockdown rules.

Starmer attended an event that wasn't illegal.

Is it really so difficut?

difficult