Roe v Wade

TheodoraP

My brother has seen your posts and has advised that I report them

So you have been reported

My brother actually couldn't believe the posts on here were real he said he didn't know that older women could behave in this way, have to say I agree with him such bitterness just because someone does not have the same opinion as you honestly hard to believe

Your brother has a view on how older women should behave? Good for him. I have a view on any male who passes judgement on females, would he be interested in hearing it? Thought not, and his opinion of us 'older women' is equally irrelevant to me. The only bitterness I see is the vile use of the word murder when applied to legal abortion.
Of course you are entitled to believe that abortion is wrong, and nobody will try to make you have one (assuming you're of childbearing age) but what gives you or your brother the right to force any woman to endure 9 months of a pregnancy they don't want, even a pregnancy from rape? How would he like some women making decisions about his reproductive rights? Forced sterilisation for example, or the refusal to allow him the vasectomy he requested?

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I trust Theodora has now left the building and that we won’t be subjected to any more of her vile propaganda, nor the equally unpleasant comments of like minded posters.

The USA is increasingly a foreign country

Oh she’ll be back ( with her brother ? )
can’t resist coming back yet again to tell women how awful they are.

Kandinsky

Oh she’ll be back ( with her brother ? )
can’t resist coming back yet again to tell women how awful they are.

Especially - shock horror - us 'older women' with an opinion!

Just noticed that some posts have been deleted. But maybe not the ones Theodora's brother thought should be deleted

VioletSky

Discodancer you do understand the cost of raising a child?

Starting with a blank slate isnt going to do it. If she got into debt before then surely you can imagine after.

Its just an example of being pro birth imo.

Yes...I’ve had four. We offered help as long as she needed it. 18 years if necessary.

That’s me out now. Happy debating!

Got much more important things to do?

Iam64

The USA is increasingly a foreign country

It always has been Iam. Such a different culture to the older, more European one.

I have always thought that Boorish Johnson being an American citizen from the age of five until he, quite recently, wanted to escape the clutches of the IRS, told us a great deal about his thinking.

Iam64

The USA is increasingly a foreign country

You might imagine so but investigate Evangelical churches in the UK and you will find many of them rely on funding and staffing (often volunteers) from the US and they are expanding. Combine that with the attitudes to abortion in N. Ireland, which still isn't implementing the law, and which is the only subject to unite Catholics and Protestants in its history. and I think we have a growing problem. There are also several countries in Europe where the right wing are in ascendent. Imagining these things only happen in the US is short sighted and ignoring realities. The US influences (and in this case funds) what happens in the rest of the world.

volver

This is one of those "start typing then give up in disgust" moments.

If I said what I thought I'd get banned. If there's anything that will get me to the brink of fury its "God will forgive you".

... ditto.

It's patronising, self-righteous sanctimony.

And as for the "brother" who is disgusted by what he's read... I have no words- except perhaps a question - why is his view important to this discussion?

Sometimes, it's just better to stay away from the keyboard for fear of being deleted, or banned.

I hope everyone has an enjoyable day - and that the sun which is shining here, is shing where you are!

"shining" ('shing')

I’ve just caught up with this thread and didn’t see the deleted posts but crumbs, are we now debating with seven-year-olds who need to wheel out their Big Brothers?

Glorianny

Iam64

The USA is increasingly a foreign country

You might imagine so but investigate Evangelical churches in the UK and you will find many of them rely on funding and staffing (often volunteers) from the US and they are expanding. Combine that with the attitudes to abortion in N. Ireland, which still isn't implementing the law, and which is the only subject to unite Catholics and Protestants in its history. and I think we have a growing problem. There are also several countries in Europe where the right wing are in ascendent. Imagining these things only happen in the US is short sighted and ignoring realities. The US influences (and in this case funds) what happens in the rest of the world.

How would you feel if that was Russian or Afghani money supporting an extreme belief/pseudo-political stance. Has this been looked into?

If we are being infiltrated, by far-right organisations, from other countries, have you reported this to the police?

Glorrianny, as I have said before, I am a Protestant, and I am a supporter of a woman's right to control over her body. As my Italin Catholic aunts said of the Pope's view on contraception " he no playa the game, he no make the rules".

I'd just like to make it clear that a comment I made about people saying "God will forgive you" (patronising, self-righteous sanctimony) is not meant as an attack on Christians in general.

As an atheist, I number Christians among my friends. I once had a close relationship with our then local vicar and his wife - we shared dinner parties with 'lively' discussions. During a difficult crisis in my life they were both very supportive, and he once said he would "pray for me". I didn't take offence because he was being kind and sympathetic and offering reassurance in the ways in which he'd been schooled. There's a world of difference between that, and sanctimony.

... not that anyone's necessarily reading my short previous comment, but there are a number of Christian grans on here who I respect and I would not want to offend them by appearing insensitive.

Daisy Anne it isn't illegal to fund churches. It isn't illegal to open new churches. It isn't illegal to oppose abortion. It isn't illegal to have far right views. But consider most religions oppose abortion. Watch Three Families on BBC i player about three women in N Ireland and note the information at the end that although abortion is not illegal in N Ireland now it is almost impossible to have one and most women still travel to England.
I know of three churches in my local area which have been opened in the last few years and which have funding behind them from the US. It's a simple formula. They find a neglected church in an area and renovate it. They move established church members into the area and begin recruiting. They are some of the most welcoming people you could wish to meet. They create a new church community and then begin the process in another area. In many ways it looks ideal. Neglected churches revitalised, isolated and ignored people offered a community, communities thriving. But sometimes unacceptable religious beliefs are growing as well.
It's far too easy to imagine that most people have liberal views.

This isn’t a new development. It’s been going on for years. Happy clappy stuff appeals to some, particularly the lonely and deprived; certainly not my cup of tea. I don’t see these people as a threat. Their congregations are a demographic singularly unlikely to have clout.

You can probably find out more than I can GSM.

Obviously Glorianny is right to say it is not illegal to fund churches or open new ones. However, I would have thought such funding, from a foriegn country is surrounded by law which can/may be broken. I find this worrying and would not want a far-right body - or a far-left one if they were doing this - posing as a church to gain influence in the UK. I would hope law would stop that. It would be useful to know what is being done by our government on that front.

Trump-linked dark money
Each of the US groups openDemocracy examined is registered as a tax-exempt non-profit and as such is barred from participating in partisan political activity.

However, several of them, including the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) – which is run by Trump’s personal lawyer Jay Sekulow – have vocally supported Trump’s administration and his Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett.

Last year, openDemocracy uncovered how a dozen US Christian Right ‘fundamentalist’ groups, many with links to the Trump administration and to Steve Bannon, had poured at least $50m of dark money into Europe over a decade. [Source: openDemocracy]

Is this where the money comes from? What do we know? How is it controlled? More questions than answers at this point but it would help if we knew which country Glorianny is writing from.

Looking at this I know of three churches in my local area which have been opened in the last few years and which have funding behind them from the US. It's a simple formula. They find a neglected church in an area and renovate it. They move established church members into the area and begin recruiting. I assume this is in the UK.

Time for a letter to my MP, I think, to find out just how much of this is going on.

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Apologies gransnet admin I did not give him permission to post that

Bit late, lady.