Our bloated NHS - it’s beyond ridiculous now.

I did ask the staff at one clinic who out of them spoke Welsh and none did (they thought it was a complete waste of money which could be better spent). I suppose there might be an occasional patient who prefers to read the notices in Welsh.

Urmstongran

Conliblab - none have sorted out the NHS.
Perhaps it needs a Royal Commission or something? I don’t know.

It needs funding at the same level as countries such as France and Germany. It's not rocket science.

I might not agree with Urmstongran but the amount of abuse she is receiving on this thread is despicable.

No-one has come up with any ideas so far apart from throwing money at it and hoping for the best.
The NHS is not beyond reproach and it is worth saving.

How?

Healthcare spending in OECD countries:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthcaresystem/articles/howdoesukhealthcarespendingcomparewithothercountries/2019-08-29#how-much-does-the-uk-spend-on-healthcare-compared-with-its-international-peers

How can you justify a claim that the NHS isn't underfunded?

I do get your point MaizieD. I’m not being awkward. I realise Covid has had a huge impact on staffing levels and therefore waiting times. It’s just really sad to hear friends & family who have distressing tales to tell, sharing their frightening experiences. Yes it’s just anecdotal. But that’s what most of us go off. We aren’t all academics or intellectuals. We would just like decent health care at the time of need. It’s so sad really.

How can a diversity manager in a hospital Trust on £90k p.a. help poorly people? We spend money on the wrong things in my opinion. Other opinions are available.

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growstuff

Urmstongran

Conliblab - none have sorted out the NHS.
Perhaps it needs a Royal Commission or something? I don’t know.

It needs funding at the same level as countries such as France and Germany. It's not rocket science.

Yes but - exactly how?

Start from the beginning.

Apologies to all who are annoyed at my utter tripe.

growstuff

Callistemon21

I might not agree with Urmstongran but the amount of abuse she is receiving on this thread is despicable.

No-one has come up with any ideas so far apart from throwing money at it and hoping for the best.
The NHS is not beyond reproach and it is worth saving.

How?

Sorry if you're offended, but I find the utter tripe she comes out with despicable.

And so do I.

I worked in hospitals, lots of posters have worked in hospitals, but we're not coming out with such utter nonsense.

Silverlining

"I am aware the nhs and its staff are struggling to cope these are difficult times but it’s been deliberately broken, Sell it off, run it down. Get business in. Apparently Richard Branson /Virgin runs our local hospital. Who would believe that. "
Most of the public just don't want to believe that our great BJ and Co would do this to us.

growstuff

Callistemon21

I might not agree with Urmstongran but the amount of abuse she is receiving on this thread is despicable.

No-one has come up with any ideas so far apart from throwing money at it and hoping for the best.
The NHS is not beyond reproach and it is worth saving.

How?

Sorry if you're offended, but I find the utter tripe she comes out with despicable.

But Urmstongran still remains polite.

Even if none of you agree with her can you not all try to do the same?

At least she opened up an important discussion.

Urmstongran

The NHS isn't underfunded. The people on the front line are not well paid. The management are very well paid , some earn more than Boris as the PM. Several levels of NHS management need to be removed .

This exactly, urms.

You make me laugh ? rubbishing The tories for their mis management of the NHS in England with your 18 month waiting lists! Try 3 years for a hip replacement in north Wales...before the pandemic under a two decade Labour mis administration!

We’re now up to a five year wait for most things here which Darling Drakeford is blaming on Boris and his handling of COVID so don’t be retiring to our lovely coastline unless you’re in damn good health!

The NHS is a behemoth, throwing more money at it without any plan is not in my opinion the solution.

It needs a radical reorganisation, since it’s inception medicine has advanced enormously, people are living with diseases and medical conditions which a few years ago would have killed them.

A cross party solution is needed.

"How can a diversity manager in a hospital Trust on £90k p.a. help poorly people?"

By ensuring that, in a hard recruitment and retention market all people across the board are attracted to work in the organisation and remain in post effectively. Also by ensuring that the systems and processes in the organisation allow all employees to identify with the organisation and contribute fully to achieving its aims. By ensuring that nobody who could help achieve these aims is excluded.

The last time anyone looked at how much the NHS spend on translation services seems to be in about 2011 and then it was 0.02% of its budget.

Pantglas Two wrongs don't make a right. My sister has been told it will be at least two years before she has a knee replacement in England. She's already been waiting since before the pandemic started.

Strangely enough I was talking to my daughter, who is a frontline nurse, about this today. Her opinion is they are just throwing money at the problem, i.e. an agency nurse earns something like £80 an hour. Where she is they employ lots of agency nurses!

growstuff, MaizieD, volver. and others

Your rudeness to urmston is appalling.

Urmstongran posted upthread that she had worked in a hospital for 30 years.

That surely has given her an insight and first hand knowledge?

Lido

"How can a diversity manager in a hospital Trust on £90k p.a. help poorly people?"

By ensuring that, in a hard recruitment and retention market all people across the board are attracted to work in the organisation and remain in post effectively. Also by ensuring that the systems and processes in the organisation allow all employees to identify with the organisation and contribute fully to achieving its aims. By ensuring that nobody who could help achieve these aims is excluded.

The last time anyone looked at how much the NHS spend on translation services seems to be in about 2011 and then it was 0.02% of its budget.

Incidentally, I Googled some NHS Diversity Manager roles. The standard pay is about £45,000 not £90,000. The role is a senior HR job and usually includes equality, diversity and inclusion. It's about ensuring that nobody is unfairly treated for any characteristic or condition they have. It's a big job. That's my daughter's job title in a private company and she's paid more than £45,000.

growstuff

Pantglas Two wrongs don't make a right. My sister has been told it will be at least two years before she has a knee replacement in England. She's already been waiting since before the pandemic started.

Of course they don’t Growstuff but this daft idea that only Tories get it wrong is ludicrous - my DH is living proof of Labour incompetence in Wales (north Wales in particular) as so many testify to Tory mismanagement in England!

kittylester

*growstuff*, MaizieD, volver. and others

Your rudeness to urmston is appalling.

I agree

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran posted upthread that she had worked in a hospital for 30 years.

That surely has given her an insight and first hand knowledge?

It depends what role she had. If it was shuffling bits of paper around, I doubt if she gained much insight into strategy or finance. Apologies if she did a senior job.

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GrannyGravy13

The NHS is a behemoth, throwing more money at it without any plan is not in my opinion the solution.

It needs a radical reorganisation, since it’s inception medicine has advanced enormously, people are living with diseases and medical conditions which a few years ago would have killed them.

A cross party solution is needed.

Exactly GG.