Gransnet forums

News & politics

Why is Johnson more popular than Starmer?

(331 Posts)
Glorianny Fri 20-May-22 12:02:34

It's a simple question and you could answer it purely on political lines but I think there is more to it than that. I think somehow Johnson appeals to those who like bad boys and the slight amorality which is present in so many lives now, whereas Starmer always comes across as the typical lawyer, and no one trusts a lawyer. Any other ideas?

Secretsquirrel1 Wed 25-May-22 14:51:42

Starmer comes across as dull as ditch water and I find his manner a bit like the tell tale kid in class.
I think it’s his delivery / voice probably but I don’t see him as PM material persona wise.

Casdon Wed 25-May-22 14:43:23

M0nica

What is the relevance of discussing Keir Starmer's wife on here?

She is not a Labour MP, does not work in any role related to governing the country and if she has an honorary title, so what?

It amazes me how many women still see other women as merely adjuncts to their husbands. Such an antedeluvian mindset - and on Grandsnet of all sites.

The implication made was that she had lied about her job Monica, as part of an anti Starmer post. The subsequent posts were correcting the misinformation about her work. I agree with you that it should not have been brought up, but once it was, the misinformation needed correcting.

M0nica Wed 25-May-22 14:37:20

What is the relevance of discussing Keir Starmer's wife on here?

She is not a Labour MP, does not work in any role related to governing the country and if she has an honorary title, so what?

It amazes me how many women still see other women as merely adjuncts to their husbands. Such an antedeluvian mindset - and on Grandsnet of all sites.

hugshelp Wed 25-May-22 14:34:50

I can't vote for either of them or their policies.

Nannashirlz Wed 25-May-22 14:33:15

Stammer has also provided to be a liar he has on different occasions said how many ppl were with him having a takeaway and beer and they is something about him I can’t put my finger on he’s sly he comes across slimy and don’t get me started on rayner she tried to play victim about a joke she made few months previously I smell a rat with them both. Boris as scum media after his blood he could pass out pink unicorns ? and they would still find something about him.

nahsma Wed 25-May-22 14:27:47

Is he? I’m am mystified that any sentient adult female (whatever their usual political preferences) could support Mr Johnson. Apart from his proven lies in previous jobs (sacked twice for lying) and the obvious lies in his current position, he is completely relaxed about reneging on international treaties and breaking the law “in a limited way” (breaking the law in a limited way is a bit like being “slightly” pregnant). I also find his philandering extremely distasteful. Apart from the trail of mistresses and children, he deserted his former wife for the current incumbent (young enough to be his daughter) while the former wife was undergoing treatment for breast cancer. He is beyond a complete sh!t and I am embarrassed to have such an amoral nasty piece of work representing my country around the world.

growstuff Wed 25-May-22 14:17:54

Visgir1

Captain Hindsight.. Labour don't stand a chance with him steering the ship.. We are all Doomed!

Is this a parody account? hmm

kjmpde Wed 25-May-22 14:15:49

i think Johnson has special needs and needs a carer. how many people can get annoyed with somebody that has special needs? it is easier to dislike somebody that is capable of actions without a carer. I could never vote Tory but even I can't get angry at Johnson despite the fact he is not honest or trustworthy.

OakDryad Wed 25-May-22 14:08:29

kevincharley I heard that too and switched the TV off in disgust. He can look forward to putting his ams around tens of thousands of corpses later this year, elderly people dead from hypothermia. 9000 died last year. 30000 this while he and Sunak squabble over what to do?

Visgir1 Wed 25-May-22 13:55:46

Captain Hindsight.. Labour don't stand a chance with him steering the ship.. We are all Doomed!

growstuff Wed 25-May-22 13:54:39

kevincharley

God knows! I, personally, know nobody who likes him.
Today's PMQ session has unearthed a new slogan. Apparently he's going to 'put his arms round people' who are suffering in the current financial situation.
If he tries that with me he's going to be in severe pain.
How is he still in power?

He put his arms round care home residents too.

kevincharley Wed 25-May-22 13:52:18

God knows! I, personally, know nobody who likes him.
Today's PMQ session has unearthed a new slogan. Apparently he's going to 'put his arms round people' who are suffering in the current financial situation.
If he tries that with me he's going to be in severe pain.
How is he still in power?

jane1956 Wed 25-May-22 13:41:56

starmer is a kneeler and a sit on the fence only knows what to say after the event in hindsight

OakDryad Wed 25-May-22 13:41:32

I never ceased to be mystified by women who seem to adore a man (Johnson) whose has written repeatedly about his contempt for the women who vote for him and his party. He has written several times that Conservative women are his porky stooges. Why love a man who abuses you?

Quizzer Wed 25-May-22 13:40:43

Galaxy, how is Boris Johnson damaged??
The only thing that is damaged is his morality.

62Granny Wed 25-May-22 13:37:58

Why anybody likes this bumbling scruffy egocentric man is beyond me, he can not complete a proper sentence without either waffle or lying. Nothing he says can be believed. Kier Starmmer always sounds more calm and measured when speaking probably because of his background. I won't say which side of the political spectrum I am on?

volver Wed 25-May-22 13:35:33

So Starmer is simultaneously not much of an opposition or else he constantly complains about the current government.

He should pop over to the "inventions" thread - he's discovered a way of being two exactly diametrically opposite people both at the same time.

growstuff Wed 25-May-22 13:34:49

Casdon

greenlady102

Casdon

I think either you’ve misread articles or papers have printed inaccurate information about Mrs Starmer’s role greenlady102. She is a lawyer, but she does work for the NHS - in Occupational Health, not Occupational Therapy. That has never been hidden from the public.

those "occupational health" articles used to say Occupational Therapy" also I still wonder what she does. Occy Health don't employ lawyers and she is actually currently (or was when I checked) not registered to practice law either. I can't believe she is working in a low paying admin role and as I said has no clinical qualtification...oh and PS she isn't Mrs Starmer, she is Lady Victoria Starmer.

Occupational Health at Regional level does employ lawyers greenlady102. They work on complex employment cases related to staff sickness and fitness to work. All regions have a solicitor’s department.

I've just written a post (but deleted it) saying exactly the same thing.

growstuff Wed 25-May-22 13:33:39

greenlady102

Casdon

I think either you’ve misread articles or papers have printed inaccurate information about Mrs Starmer’s role greenlady102. She is a lawyer, but she does work for the NHS - in Occupational Health, not Occupational Therapy. That has never been hidden from the public.

those "occupational health" articles used to say Occupational Therapy" also I still wonder what she does. Occy Health don't employ lawyers and she is actually currently (or was when I checked) not registered to practice law either. I can't believe she is working in a low paying admin role and as I said has no clinical qualtification...oh and PS she isn't Mrs Starmer, she is Lady Victoria Starmer.

Errrmmm ... why does it matter what her correct form of address is? When the Duchess of Kent was working in a school, she asked to be called "Mrs Kent".

Grandmakath Wed 25-May-22 13:32:07

Johnson has got things done, whereas Starmer just whines and whinges constantly about the tories rather than tell us what he could get done.

Casdon Wed 25-May-22 13:31:19

greenlady102

Casdon

I think either you’ve misread articles or papers have printed inaccurate information about Mrs Starmer’s role greenlady102. She is a lawyer, but she does work for the NHS - in Occupational Health, not Occupational Therapy. That has never been hidden from the public.

those "occupational health" articles used to say Occupational Therapy" also I still wonder what she does. Occy Health don't employ lawyers and she is actually currently (or was when I checked) not registered to practice law either. I can't believe she is working in a low paying admin role and as I said has no clinical qualtification...oh and PS she isn't Mrs Starmer, she is Lady Victoria Starmer.

Occupational Health at Regional level does employ lawyers greenlady102. They work on complex employment cases related to staff sickness and fitness to work. All regions have a solicitor’s department.

growstuff Wed 25-May-22 13:30:05

Tinydancer

Oakdryad I believe You.Gov is owned by a Tory so not sure it can be relied on.

But even YouGov has Starmer ahead.

Casdon Wed 25-May-22 13:29:10

Nobody can be sly and dull as ditchwater at the same time though sharonarnott. By being sly you remove yourself from the dull as ditchwater category!

Tinydancer Wed 25-May-22 13:29:06

Oakdryad I believe You.Gov is owned by a Tory so not sure it can be relied on.

greenlady102 Wed 25-May-22 13:28:23

Casdon

I think either you’ve misread articles or papers have printed inaccurate information about Mrs Starmer’s role greenlady102. She is a lawyer, but she does work for the NHS - in Occupational Health, not Occupational Therapy. That has never been hidden from the public.

those "occupational health" articles used to say Occupational Therapy" also I still wonder what she does. Occy Health don't employ lawyers and she is actually currently (or was when I checked) not registered to practice law either. I can't believe she is working in a low paying admin role and as I said has no clinical qualtification...oh and PS she isn't Mrs Starmer, she is Lady Victoria Starmer.