That Sue Gray Report/Johnson meeting

Obviously the MET police think not.

Urmstongran

KS was more about the hypocrisy. To be honest I’m fed up of beergate & partygate now. I wish we could move on.

Short concentration span or lack of concern about values?

Urmstongran

Did he though? Lie.
Or did he think that what he did at a work venue was within the rules? He only got one fine and that was when Carrie presented him with a cake on his 56th birthday. This photo? I bet he didn’t think he broke the guidelines.

Ignorance of the law has never been a valid defence.

Urmstongran

These people worked together. It was an end of day work event.
I bet offices up & down the country had similar ‘all the best’ groupings to say goodbye to work colleagues.
Maybe just with a coffee & a gift?
At the time some nurses were making Tic-Tok videos.
Some citizens were ‘illegally’ protesting on the streets.

And hopefully they came a safe distance apart and wore masks while they worked.

It’s because he’s never thought that any laws apply to him.

Urmstongran

This was his place of work. He and his team, were indoors working long hours in close proximity saving our economy and purchasing vaccines. Having a drink during or after the day did no create any additional risk or impact anyone else.

And he has been proven innocent.

In law, people aren't proved innocent.

Zonne

Urmstongran

The others must have stayed on.
To party and karaoke.
Which is why they’re getting fined.

So breaking the law for ten minutes is fine, but breaking it for longer is not?

I'll remember that if I decide to break the law. So long as I can get it over and done quickly, it'll be fine (allegedly).

MayBee70

It’s because he’s never thought that any laws apply to him.

“I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.” Boris Johnson’s school report, Eton, 1982

Urmstongran

Obviously the MET police think not.

And we all know how trustworthy the Met are. ?

The police saw suitcases of wine being taken into No 10. Must have seen who was coming and going: saw how inebriated some people must have been. Must have heard singing…..

Ex-Met Deputy Assistant Commissioner Brian Paddick, Baron Paddick on LBC with Andrew Marr saying (iho) the Met did not investigate this as thoroughly as they should have for fear of upsetting No 10. The Met have stonewalled anyone asking for comment on the photos.

BBCNews 24 reviewing tomorrow’s newspapers report that Johnson with Chief of Staff Steve Barclay requested the meeting with Sue Gray to ask her not to publish the report because ‘the Met have already investigated”.

Sounds more like a whitewash every day.

Operation Save Big Dog is obviously still ongoing….

I think the Met police need to answer a few questions about this November leaving do.

(The rules in London, at the time, were that there were to be no social events, of any kind, and any essential work meetings had to be socially distanced, and not involve any form of "partying".)

The Met fined one or two civil servants who were there, as it was, apparently, an illegal gathering.

Boris Johnson who instigated and arranged this gathering, was there, and yet didn't get fined, because (according to the Met), it wasn't an illegal gathering.

This cannot be both things - if it was illegal, Johnson should be fined.

If it wasn't illegal, the civil servants shouldn't have been fined..

On top of this, it now seems that Johnson and Steven Barclay, at the meeting with Sue Gray they said they didn't (and then it turned out they did) ask for, they made it clear they wanted her to drop the enquiry and forget about publishing a report.?

Afterwards, it was made clear to them that they would not get away with doing that.

Johnson, in Parliament, denied this gathering had happened, and he knew nothing about it, but now the photos have emerged with him there.

Urmstongran

The others must have stayed on.
To party and karaoke.
Which is why they’re getting fined.

Did the other also go to the Commons and lie about it?

“ Leaving drinks” is not a work event - you wouldn’t get paid for going - it’s a social event however you spin it. The fact that his red box, unopened, lay on the floor whilst wine and crisps were on the table is rather telling. Giving a speech and making a toast surely equate to participating? At that time children couldn’t have birthday parties even when they were at school with the same children. These were the rules which this government enacted and they should have been the first to be seen to obey them.

ITV news have reportedly obtained shocking new pictures; this time of UG posting to Gransnet

MayBee70

Operation Save Big Dog is obviously still ongoing….

Russ Jones

Operation Save Big Dog has now reached the Eating His Own Excrement In The Garden phase.

And he has been proven innocent.

No, he was proved to be guilty of breaking the law and he was fined. Are we being brainwashed into believing that black is white now? He is not the best of all possible Prime Ministers. He is actually a liar who is being kept in power by sycophants who have their own self serving reasons for continuing to deny his law breaking. It is sickening and dangerous. Hell mend the Great British Public if we accept this disgraceful state of affairs.

I am rather fed up with it now, just publish the report and get on with things. We obeyed the rules and lost elderly relatives due to COVID but what happened has happened, let’s just move on, harping on over the past is no good for anyone, it doesn’t change anything.

Shropshirelass

I am rather fed up with it now, just publish the report and get on with things. We obeyed the rules and lost elderly relatives due to COVID but what happened has happened, let’s just move on, harping on over the past is no good for anyone, it doesn’t change anything.

So you are prepared to move on from a prime minister who broke the ministerial code.

Don’t you think rules are there for a purpose?

Shropshirelass

I am rather fed up with it now, just publish the report and get on with things. We obeyed the rules and lost elderly relatives due to COVID but what happened has happened, let’s just move on, harping on over the past is no good for anyone, it doesn’t change anything.

Its does change everything though.

We have a liar for PM who has demonstrated that either he doesn't care about the people of this country, or he doesn't understand what "obeying the rules" means. And he's taking us for fools.

I want him gone, just like many others do. He demeans the position of Prime Minister.

That's what we want to change, I should think.

I am beginning to think that maybe the red box might have been photoshopped in.
Nothing about this farce would surprise me anymore

Even if BJ was only there for ten minutes he could see that a party was going on and should have sent them all home. As the PM it was his duty to abide by the rules and ensure all his staff did too.

On the basis that all in high Gov. are Brexiteers, it is in their interest to back BJ; their jobs depend on his success. Change of leader probably means change of policies on Brexit and a new cabinet with (heaven forfend) Remainers.

This scenario is also feared by arch-brexiteers on here.

Parsley3

^And he has been proven innocent.^

No, he was proved to be guilty of breaking the law and he was fined. Are we being brainwashed into believing that black is white now? He is not the best of all possible Prime Ministers. He is actually a liar who is being kept in power by sycophants who have their own self serving reasons for continuing to deny his law breaking. It is sickening and dangerous. Hell mend the Great British Public if we accept this disgraceful state of affairs.

So it’s ok to have a PM running the country who lies to Parliament? Why should we ignore that and move on?