Thomas Markle rushed to hospital after a suspected stroke.

VioletSky

My husband and i still celebrate the anniversary of our first date as more special than marriage.

We married so that I would have the same name as our children and we would be husband and wife.

I don't see anything weird about the first time sharing vows being deemed the real marriage or representative of it.

My husband and i still celebrate the anniversary of our first date as more special than marriage.

That's lovely, and our first child was born on the anniversary of the day we met (several years later) which was a lovely coincidence.

However, and whatever anyone claims, private vows, promises between couples etc do not consitute a marriage.

Cohabitation for a lifetime is not marriage although it may be a long-term commitment.
Getting married in a Roman Catholic church was not, in fact considered a legal marriage in the UK. A registrar had to be present.

Anyone can call a rose a daffodil but it's still a rose.

Even if we stand here and say that is a lie, (when we have heard so many examples of how situations are deemed more special or equal too a marriage certificate) that doesnt mean anything else said was a lie.

Not trying to make this personal but i cant help thinking of when I gave my mother reasons for estrangement. She told me i was wrong about one of many reasons and sent lots of insults about how i lie and exagerate and what a cruel horrible person i am... Anyway, digress.

Actually I did realise I was very likely wrong about that one thing....

The biggest frustration to me however was that none of the other reasons were addressed and she wasnt interested in ever doing so. She just grasped that one excuse to dismiss me.

Obviously we are still estranged

If just exchanging vows in a garden with no witnesses and no
registrar is a marriage why all the support for same sex couples
to be married in Church ?

Without gibing it foo muh thought Anniebach marriage conmes sith legal things attached like taxes, inheritace etc

Not to mention disallowing same sex couples to marry is discrimination

Sorry, very shaky hands today and forget to proof read

Anniebach

If just exchanging vows in a garden with no witnesses and no
registrar is a marriage why all the support for same sex couples
to be married in Church ?

Because that is what they want Anniebach. They want a church wedding, lots of people do.

Because two people who are standing in a garden, can say what they like to each other but it doesn't consitute a legal marriage unless someone authorised to perform marriage ceremonies conducts the service and witnesses are present.

It could be the gardener and his boy (or the gardener and her girl), it doesn't matter who the witnesses are as long as they are 18 or over, but that is the law in England.

Anything else is just romantic nonsense.

It seems to me we have established they did not get officially married in that garden and that Meghan misspoke, (maybe she meant something different ). But surely there’s little point repeating the same comments about it not being a marriage etc etc.

Sorry Callistemon that’s not aimed specifically at you!

I wouldn't but some posters keep insisting it's possible!
It's a romantic notion.

Anyway, back to the OP. It sounds as if Mr Markle has a long road ahead of rehabilitation and I hope he will get the help he needs.

It's a romantic notion.

And is that such a bad thing?

Ah, i love a bit of romantic nonsense

Not only does here have to be a registrar and two witnesses for a marriage to be legal- the ceremony has to take place in building/site that is licensed for marriages to take place.

Sorry, could have worded that better! Should proof read before sending ?

Who cares, if ut was real to them thats when they felt married.

Again this has onky ome up in regards to her being a liar

How does misusing a word make someone a liar?

And what of the many who stood and waved and cheered for a
couple who had just left the church following their alleged mock marriage, the two witnesses who signed the register , did
the already married couple have a good laugh.

Huh?

Smileless2012

Why would there even have been a conversation about Archie being given titles that it was not in Prince Charles' gift to give? They were talking about Archie not having a title now, not at some point in the future.

Precisely Annie I mean for goodness sake the Archbishop eventually made it clear that he couldn't have possibly married them 3 days earlier, because he'd have been breaking the law when he married them in church.

We do know the truth now though don't we Summerlove, they didn't get married 3 days before the televised ceremony and Archie wasn't denied a title because he's mixed race.

No, we don’t.

But keep thinking we do if you would like.

I suppose it depends if you think that marriage is a commitment made by two people to each other or just a legally binding contract which is recognised by the law and /or the church. Both concepts have their place. but I can see nothing wrong in the couple regarding either as more important to themselves. I can certainly see that you might regard a very public and ceremonial event as something less personally important, particularly if you looked at the history of past such events.

My great grandparents got married in a Scottish irregular ceremony.

As I'm sure some of you know, you just stood up in front of someone else - anyone else, not a minister - and said "we're married now". They considered themselves married for 2 years, in fact they were married for 2 years, before the minister said it as well and wrote it in the book.

Marriage isn't always what we think it is.

Just thought that was relevant...

A marriage is a legally binding contract which is recognised by the law and/or the church, if it isn't in the UK and probably in other countries too, it isn't a marriage.

On the day of our wedding, the vicar discovered that the bans hadn't been read in the parish I was living in so, he had to dash to the nearest registrar and get a special licence or our wedding wouldn't have been legal.

Had that not happened without a doubt for us, our family and friends it would have been an extremely important service, but it wouldn't have been legal.

Archie wasn’t/isn’t allowed a title legally. Letters Patent would need to be changed in order for Archie to be given a title. That’s the truth of it. Whether we like it or not, that is the truth. When Prince Charles becomes king, at that point Archie will be legally allowed the title of prince but his parents may decide that they don’t want a title for him exactly as Edward and Sophie decided they didn’t want the titles princess/prince for their children although they were legally entitled to those titles. Titles aren’t recognised in America anyway, and I saw the interview when Archie was introduced to the world where Harry and Meghan clearly said, and I heard it, that they did not want a title for Archie.

volver

My great grandparents got married in a Scottish irregular ceremony.

As I'm sure some of you know, you just stood up in front of someone else - anyone else, not a minister - and said "we're married now". They considered themselves married for 2 years, in fact they were married for 2 years, before the minister said it as well and wrote it in the book.

Marriage isn't always what we think it is.

Just thought that was relevant...

That’s very interesting volver, but the law surrounding legal marriage in England is different than it is in Scotland as I understand it. That’s why years ago young English couples who didn’t have parental permission to get married used to elope to Scotland in order to get married. There I believe they could marry without parental consent.

My Bangladeshi friends got married in a mosque but they understood the law perfectly. They got married in the registry office three weeks before in order that it would be legal. They celebrated both ceremonies but only lived together after the mosque ceremony.

So why all the fuss? Why twist it into an issue about race which it wasn't, and feign upset about your son not being given a title which you've already said, you don't want him to have? .

Agreed maddyone. But my point was that the important thing to my GGPs was that they considered themselves to be married, and so did everyone around them, even though the paperwork took a couple of years to catch up. 3 days doesn't seem that bad to me.

(ps - hope you are having a lovely time!)