Thomas Markle rushed to hospital after a suspected stroke.

Glorianny

Anniebach

There was no private ceremony in the garden, fact

Were you there?

Possibly not, as it was "secret" ?

But the Archbishop of Canterbury was and he said there was no private ceremony in the garden beforehand.
I don't think he'd lie ?

There cannot be marriage in a garden without witnesses and a registration of the marriage, fact

Callistemon21

Glorianny

Anniebach

There was no private ceremony in the garden, fact

Were you there?

Possibly not, as it was "secret" ?

But the Archbishop of Canterbury was and he said there was no private ceremony in the garden beforehand.
I don't think he'd lie ?

Possibly the A of C's views on what constitutes a marriage are somewhat limited by his position. However he wasn't the one getting married and if H&M chose to regard vows made in private as their true marriage vows and the subsequent ceremony as a public display I can't see there can be any objection to that.
After all she comes from a culture where people get married in all sorts of weird places and you can buy on line a certificate which enables you to perform marriage ceremonies. So perhaps her perception of marriage is different to his.

a marriage rehearsal, but she didn’t know ? The Arch Bish
didn’t make an appointment with them for a rehearsal, they phoned him and said we want to get married three days before
our wedding day but no one is to know

For Meghan and Harry, the private exchange of vows means more to them than the big church and the dignitaries and the fancy frocks.

I like them for that. But then I'm a nasty atheist Republican

If Thomas Markle is home already, can we assume that it was a very mild stroke so he is not on his death bed? In that case MM can hardly be criticised for choosing not to go to his bedside.
I'll be honest, I am cynical about how ill he was. It strikes me as odd that each time he is about to visit the UK, he gets seriously ill. I have a mother who did that every time she had an exam or something she didn't want to do! She was extremely convincing before the thing she wanted to avoid but bounced back remarkably quickly once it was out of the way.

Harris27. You are surely not suggesting Thomas snr deliberately had a stroke to coincide with the Jubilee?

My husband had a serious stroke. He was in hospital for 6 months. He had speech and language therapy for six weeks when he left hospital. He can't speak at all, 7 years later.

So perhaps her perception of marriage is different to his

But not marriage as it wouldn't be legal.

They could have made promises to each other - anyone could do that - but it wasn't a marriage.

Possibly the A of C's views on what constitutes a marriage are somewhat limited by his position

That was a joke, wasn't it?
???

I think he knows the law of the land

My mother is not well every time I go away, without fail! We’re away now and my mother has texted me to say she is not well.
I can’t speak for Mr Markle. Let’s hope it wasn’t too serious. Sometimes a mild stroke is called a TIA. I’m not saying that’s what’s happened to him.

I am not a fan of Meghan or Harry, think their spoilt behaviour appalling. However she has said she wants to see her father, no net flix or reporters, just her and him. If this is the case I’m pleased. To say that Thomas Markle faked being ill on is cynical in the extreme, the hospital would not collaborate that untruth, they have said he was very I’ll. I hope she does the right thing and makes things right with her father. How he must have suffered losing the girl he loves so much.

I hope it wont spoil your time away maddy. You know she's being well taken care of so enjoy your break .

Smileless2012

I hope it wont spoil your time away maddy. You know she's being well taken care of so enjoy your break .

I'll echo that
She is in the right place with experienced staff.

Enjoy your holiday ?

Harry would have known that the "secret meeting" with the Arch Bishop was definitely not a marriage, even if Meghan had an American take on the whole thing.... yet he sat there with Oprah and let her claim that.

If they really wanted a small private ceremony, like Beatrice had, then surely they could have had that! And the UK could have saved millions !

I really resent being labelled as racist. I have never been racist in my life!

"If theyreallywanted a small private ceremony, like Beatrice had, then surely they could havehadthat! And the UK could have saved millions !"
And the RF not "following tradition" - fat chance!

Allsorts, all the reports I have read do not name the specific hospital and I can't find anything that backs up the claim that TM has actually suffered a stroke although plenty of news reports have said that he is "reported" to have a stroke. Perhaps you could direct me to the statement where the hospital backs up that he has had a stroke?

Do you seriously think Meghan Markle would countenance for one moment a marriage to an extremely rich man that was not legally binding and completely watertight?

Remember Jerry Hall, whose romantic marriage on Bali to Mick Jagger was not recognised as legal either in Indonesia or Britain when it came to the divorce?

My husband and i still celebrate the anniversary of our first date as more special than marriage.

We married so that I would have the same name as our children and we would be husband and wife.

I don't see anything weird about the first time sharing vows being deemed the real marriage or representative of it.

There are lots of couples now who choose to have different marriage ceremonies. To comply with the law they also have to have a registry office ceremony. But I bet if asked most of them would consider their marriage began when they made their vows and not when they went to the registry office.

I am gkad Thomas Markle is well enough to travel home again and hope he makes goid choices about his behaviour in future

I really hope that Thomas Markle recovers completely.

Thank you ladies for your kind thoughts.

I don’t worry too much about mum, it’s a lifelong habit with her to claim to be unwell. She’ll be feeling a bit left out and possibly lonely because we’re all here in Devon, family from N Z. and our other two children and partners and grandchild. The kiddies are wild with excitement and so very happy to be together again. Only one missing, our daughter in law’s little grandchild who we treat as our own. He’s got chicken pox, poor thing, and very disappointed to not be here.

Mum is 94 and immobile so it is what it is, she’s had many lovely holidays in the past.

I’m sure the hospital which treated Mr Markle wouldn’t have gone along with any untruths. He’s been in hospital for five days, so something has happened. I wish him well and hope his daughter will go to see him, as she said she might. If she does, she’s doing the right thing in my opinion.

When I got married in church, we had a rehearsal. That’s the most likely explanation for the ‘wedding’ three days before. Meghan either misunderstood or lied. Either way, they didn’t get married. They got married in the church and we all, or many of us, watched.