Imperial Measures

What a silly idea, I use both and am happy to do so. Think of the disruptions in schools, again.

> Why change now.Prices jumped following last change so is it a ploy to cover high increases of today.

So if a kilogramme of carrots sells for x amount of money, how much will be charged for two pounds of carrots?

If the answer in practice is x, then that will be a price increase.

Jaylou

It was a surprise announcement, a welcome one, the two systems can be used side by side, pick which you prefer.
Hopefully now a nice sunny day will be 70F instead of 21C, an I have never known my weight in kilos.
How many people still go into a pub and ask for a pint of lager (rhetorical question!), I know they wouldn't get a pint, but they still use the term.
Definitely think our money shouldn't revert though, metric is easier.

When I worked in a pub, after metrification, beer, stout and lager were asked for by the pint/half pint, charged for by the pint, and served in those measures.

A little plain line was put on glasses, and the bar person poured up to that.

The only difference here is a crown being put back.

Jaylou

It was a surprise announcement, a welcome one, the two systems can be used side by side, pick which you prefer.
Hopefully now a nice sunny day will be 70F instead of 21C, an I have never known my weight in kilos.
How many people still go into a pub and ask for a pint of lager (rhetorical question!), I know they wouldn't get a pint, but they still use the term.
Definitely think our money shouldn't revert though, metric is easier.

Actually they do get a pint. Pubs have glasses with a one pint or 20fl. oz mark just below the rim (to prevent spillages).

As a breaker of promises maybe Boris is just delivering the promise he made at election time to show he can keep a promise.

The whole engineering industry changed to metric many years ago it’s going to cause a lot problems to change all that. My guess is that retailers will be able to sell in pounds and ounces, pubs have sold pints as 500ml that will continue

Nichola Surgeon quoted “Those who the Gods seek to destroy first make ridiculous”. Think it fits the situation. Read that Rees Mogg came up with the idea but Johnson runs with any idea that isolates us from Europe. The fact that we still need to trade with them doesn’t count. No wonder we can’t reach agreements with them. As for the cost and further complications well that is ridiculous. In order to gain a real handle on measurements you have to experience them for quite awhile. In our case we took our experience of imperial and used it to comprehend metric. For example a metre is a bit longer than a yard, 30 centimetres is a foot etc etc. Are we going to inflict such an unnecessary reversal on our younger generation. What a blooming idiot. Let’s get rid of Johnson and not metric measurement.

I've just realised why none of this sounded new to me. This is a paragraph from The Independent in an article from Sept 2021:

" Boris Johnson said that he would bring imperial units back to shops as part of his pitch to voters in the 2019 general election, promising “an era of generosity and tolerance towards traditional measurements". "
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/imperial-units-pounds-ounces-brexit-b1921732.html

No prizes for guessing the reason for the timing of this latest announcement on it, though.

Boris is bringing back the crown on 1 pint glasses for the Jubilee. The EU made us take it off. Katie59 pubs sell off the tap in half pint and one pint glasses, not 500ml unless it is from a bottle which again is not 500ml.

The EU made us take it off.

They did not. That's just not true. ??‍♀️

Read the thread 25Avalon. The EU did not make us take the Crown mark off. The failure of the UK to repeal it's own 1988 legislation which did not allow for two marks did that.

Imagine how further inflationary changing will be.

It is an absolute nonsense and imo will not happen

It is another of Johnson’s stupidity.

This is good news to me. I can’t get to grips with metric measurements at all. Feet and inches are good enough until I’m 180 cms/mms ? beneath the sod.

I still do imperial measures and often look up conversions on Google. My favourite imperial measure is fluid ounces and pints. My go - to measure for a bag of potatoes is a quarter of a stone . My go-to measure of distance is my childhood cycle run to the riverside, or the train journey to Edinburgh.

I remember doing maths before decimalisation. Stuff like ‘Paint is sold in gallons. One gallon of paint costs 12/6. One pint covers three square feet. A wall is four yards long and 9ft 6in high. How many gallons of paint must the painter buy to paint the wall? How much will it cost?’

You have to use base 3, base 8, base 20 and base 12 to work that out. I can’t see it catching on. 49% of the working age population have the numeracy level of primary school children.

So, here’s a challenge. How many GN users can work that out?

Does he need to apply more than one coat??

How many painters are still working in £sd and feet per furlong?

5 gallons, assuming that only one gallon tins are available.

How much? 5 guineas, 3 crowns and a groat.

OakDryad

Read the thread 25Avalon. The EU did not make us take the Crown mark off. The failure of the UK to repeal it's own 1988 legislation which did not allow for two marks did that.

Quite interesting when you look into this and beware of newspaper sensationalisation. From what I can gather the EU legislation was that we had to have CE stamped on the glasses to show the legal measurement. The crown was permitted to remain as decoration only and was not allowed to be confused with the CE mark. Our Civil servants interpreted this as CE only and Tony Blair refused to listen to the major breweries who pleaded for the crown to remain.Now the CE mark is not necessary the crown can come back to its full glory.

I also read glasses were being imported cheaply from Chechoslovakia where they were automatically stamped CE with no crown.

So the EU (of which we were a member) didn't make us take away the crown then?

The major breweries could have bought their own glasses, if they were that bothered. Which I doubt.

I don't think that pint glass buying was nationalised.

Germanshepherdsmum

Does he need to apply more than one coat??

Let’s assume not :-)

It’s all too much for my wizened old brain.

Yes GSM. CE is a quality safety mark. I have clear memories of my time working in a charity shop where any donated children's toys not bearing the CE mark had to be binned or put in the 50p dog toy bin. USA-made Disney toys usually ended up in that! Poor Mickey!

My understanding is that the 1988 UK legislation could have been repealed or amended and the Crown mark could have added to the CE mark on the glass from 2006 so long as the Crown did not obscure the CE mark. Sounds like a civil service failure to advise unless Blair knew and blocked the change.

So where does this change leave the glass-making industry? Serious question. If made in Europe, will glasses still have to meet EU safety standards to be transported across Europe? Or will all Crown-only stamped glasses be made in the UK? It doesn't bother me if a glass carries a Crown stamp or not but it could be good if this move stimulates the UK glass industry. Not unlike the 18C American print industry which saw substantial growth as a result of Noah Webster's post-independence spelling reforms.

Oh joy! What a lovely way to distract the nation and pander to the elderly, Tory, Brexit voters who never wanted to go metric.
What a great way to waste yet more tax payers money teaching teachers to teach about bushels and pecks (for if you are going imperial, you can't stop at the odd foot or inch)!
What a delight for those poor industries who have been metric for years but for whom their Tory touting boss will make them change to imperial at a cost, no doubt, to the purchasers of goods!
Oh how they will laugh in the majority of the world where metric is simply understood and allow for easy trade. Look at funny Britain, off its rocker again! Letting the blond Buffoon talk then into another ridiculous activity to distract from his destructive law bending and lying.
Well done, PM - these postings just prove you know how to poke this nation!

StarDreamer

jaharrison.me.uk/Misc/RSF/index.html

Interesting site, but no mention of thou which my husband works in a lot of the time. Just wish there was some standardisation.

There is standardisation. It's the metric system.

If the glasses had a CE mark and a crown 180 degrees apart, then, in pastiche of shoes in Gulliver's Travels, Remainers could hold the glass one way, and Leavers the other. And those not wishing to say, could hold the glass non-commitedly, though there are two ways to do that, and care would need to be taken not to show the slightest few degrees of wobble in case of being thought to be secretly favouring one view or the other!