Rwanda

That's the nature of politics, isn't it? Any stick will do.

Tories are currently running a series of social media ads featuring Labour refusal to condemn the forthcoming rail strikes, despite the fact that no-one in their right minds would expect Labour to condemn them. They'd have run derogatory ads if Labour had supported the strikes and, if Labour had condemned them, the tories would have run ads saying that Labour didn't care about working people... I'm not sure what a party is supposed to do in those circumstances.

People don't get banned or suspended for writing something someone else disagrees with. They get banned or suspended for regularly posting things that are illegal or otherwise against GN rules, and not desisting when they are told about their rule breaking.

Yes, but the Tories are using Labour's indecision about what to do, as a stick to beat them with.?

DiamondLily

Callistemon21

If it was unlawful then understandably it was deleted.

But a ban?

Yes, seems very OTT, although I didn't see the post.

Most sites would just remove the post, and/or lock the thread.

I don't agree with anything Urn says, politically, but I wouldn't report anyone or want anyone banned because i disagreed with them...?.

Debate is healthy and interesting - an echo chamber is just boring.

But, sites make their own rules and it's up to them I suppose.

I think a ban is usually the result of what the mods perceive to be persistent offending. The poster in question has a history.

If Labour were to propose a workable plan the tories would promptly nick it and then Johnson would claim that Labour had always opposed that selfsame plan.

Callistemon21

If it was unlawful then understandably it was deleted.

But a ban?

Yes, seems very OTT, although I didn't see the post.

Most sites would just remove the post, and/or lock the thread.

I don't agree with anything Urn says, politically, but I wouldn't report anyone or want anyone banned because i disagreed with them...?.

Debate is healthy and interesting - an echo chamber is just boring.

But, sites make their own rules and it's up to them I suppose.

Well, it's probably worked in a way. It's polarised public opinion, although polls seem to suggest the "majority" support Johnson and Patel.

Strong opinions are held, both ways, and it's dragged the discussion away from Partygate/sleaze etc.

Meanwhile, Labour wobble about on the fence, saying they want to stop the traffickers, and control our borders, but not saying how they would do that.

But, they also say the Rwanda idea is a bad one.

Trying to say the "right thing" to appease two sides of an argument never works.

The Tories did the same with "what is a woman". - Johnson saw what the majority were expressing, and came out with what he thought.

Starmer wobbled, fluffed, puffed and found it hard to say, because, again, he was worried about upsetting either side.

Labour need to come up with ideas, say what they would do, or they will never be elected.

Why won't they listen?

Two words: Lynton Crosby.

This from Peter Oborne:

www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-johnson-turning-britain-global-pariah

… the scene in Downing Street earlier this month, as an alarmed Prime Minister Boris Johnson receives news that Tory MPs have launched a mutiny. With his leadership in peril, he summons his trusted advisers.By far the most powerful and respected is legendary political strategist Crosby - the magician who won {Australian PM John] Howard four victories, then twice commanded the strategy team that swept Johnson to power in the London mayoral elections. Most recently, he helped propel Johnson to victory over Labour in the 2019 general election.

Crosby’s techniques are effective, but ugly. He is a master of so-called wedge issues that divide national opinion. These issues are designed to galvanise working-class voters who traditionally vote for leftwing parties, while paralysing the leaderships of those same leftwing parties.

The most divisive wedge issue is asylum seekers, as Crosby cleverly spotted in Australia two decades ago.

At that panicky Downing Street meeting earlier this month, there’s little doubt that Crosby would have advised Johnson to change the conversation from the debilitating daily disclosures about prime ministerial sleaze and deceit, and to focus on one of the “wedge issues” that have worked so well for his clients in the past.

So it wasn’t a coincidence that a few days after their meeting, Home Secretary Priti Patel’s floundering plan to export asylum seekers to Rwanda was revived with a vengeance. According to the Spectator: “Johnson’s deputy chief of staff David Canzini, looking ahead to the next general election, has heralded the Rwanda plan as an ideal wedge issue. Aides have been ordered to find more policies in their departments that divide the opposition.”

Lucca

Whitewavemark2

The mayor of Calais and the French foreign secretary have both proposed that Westminster set up a refugee processing post in the North of France.

This would cost a fraction of the ridiculous Rwanda plan and would be much more effective.

No reply from Patel or Johnson.

Why won’t they listen ?????

Because every decision they make is based on their political future and not the good of the electorate.

Lucca

I didn’t see UGs post for obvious reasons (?‍⚕️?but for those getting upset at a Suspension might I point out several posters have had temporary bans possibly for far less contentious posts and lived to tell the tale.

Yes, that's true.

A week on the naughty step gives time for reflection or indignation.

Lucca

Whitewavemark2

The mayor of Calais and the French foreign secretary have both proposed that Westminster set up a refugee processing post in the North of France.

This would cost a fraction of the ridiculous Rwanda plan and would be much more effective.

No reply from Patel or Johnson.

Why won’t they listen ?????

Because they won't accept anything from the evil enemy, the EU. They're only interested in picking fights with the EU so as to show their Brexity voters how very nasty the EU is and how brave the government is to stand up to their bullying.

Co-operating over asylum seekers doesn't fit the image...

Whitewavemark2

The mayor of Calais and the French foreign secretary have both proposed that Westminster set up a refugee processing post in the North of France.

This would cost a fraction of the ridiculous Rwanda plan and would be much more effective.

No reply from Patel or Johnson.

Why won’t they listen ?????

I didn’t see UGs post for obvious reasons (?‍⚕️?but for those getting upset at a Suspension might I point out several posters have had temporary bans possibly for far less contentious posts and lived to tell the tale.

Whitewavemark2

The mayor of Calais and the French foreign secretary have both proposed that Westminster set up a refugee processing post in the North of France.

This would cost a fraction of the ridiculous Rwanda plan and would be much more effective.

No reply from Patel or Johnson.

This has been suggested many times. Our government seems stuck in some kind of little island mentality. We aren’t in the EU but we are in Europe - geographically.

I missed urmston’ so post. If it was deleted, there will have been a reason. I usually disagree with urm on politics, occasionally if find your views a bit white supremacist urms, I believe you’ve every right to express views I find repellent and sometimes I’m entertained by, others offended. Racism though - not ok and I’m assuming that was the reason for deletion.
Suspension?

Kandinsky and Maudi - this forum isn’t dominated by loony lefties as yiu appear to believe. Many posters enjoy debating with people who don’t share their politics but may share a balanced and compassionate world view

Riverwalk

Was that not offered by the French some years' ago?

Since Brexit? Yes.

It makes so much sense.

Was that not offered by the French some years' ago?

The mayor of Calais and the French foreign secretary have both proposed that Westminster set up a refugee processing post in the North of France.

This would cost a fraction of the ridiculous Rwanda plan and would be much more effective.

No reply from Patel or Johnson.

FannyCornforth

Casdon

The moderators had already deleted other posts on this thread, so I still think they were probably already keeping an eye on it - but I guess we’ll never know if somebody reported again, who decided to suspend, and exactly why.

I will happily own up to reporting.
I cannot reply to posters if they have offended me because there are folk out there targeting me.
So reporting it is.

I must be an optimist, I’d assumed the mods did keep a watching brief once there had been an issue before on a particular thread. I’m totally with you on people saying so on the thread when they report another poster, it seems cowardly not to.

Aye, OK then

volver

GrannyGravy13

FannyCornforth Urms post did not contain anything that had not already been posted on this thread.

That is not the case.

Yes it is, Urmstongrans post was just not as succinctly worded as other posts, mine included..

Casdon

The moderators had already deleted other posts on this thread, so I still think they were probably already keeping an eye on it - but I guess we’ll never know if somebody reported again, who decided to suspend, and exactly why.

I will happily own up to reporting.
I cannot reply to posters if they have offended me because there are folk out there targeting me.
So reporting it is.

GrannyGravy13

FannyCornforth Urms post did not contain anything that had not already been posted on this thread.

That is not the case.

Casdon

The moderators had already deleted other posts on this thread, so I still think they were probably already keeping an eye on it - but I guess we’ll never know if somebody reported again, who decided to suspend, and exactly why.

No. That isn’t how it works.

18:18Kandinsky

I agree Kandinsky.

I hope she’s back soon.
She’s one of the most interesting posters on this board - not pompous, not self congratulatory, not preachy.