Rwanda

The point is that France is offering assistance and undoubtedly so would the EU if they could trust us to keep our word. That isn’t going to happen until the present government is completely gone.

I agree with you volver and Whitewavemark2 not sure of the numbers but a sizeable percentage of those who have carried out acts of terrorism on U.K. soil have been home grown

I can empathise with those who have been caught up in terror attacks and understand why they are jumpy in certain situations.

Our friend was early twenties when they were caught in the carriage where the bomb was detonated, it has altered their life completely.

I cannot imagine what it is like to be so desperate that you board a rubber dinghy to cross one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world.

Whatever Government’s in power next must seek and implement a humane solution.

Sorry, cross post DaisyAnne

Its very clear that growstuff is suggesting the exact opposite.

Sorry growstuff, I think that may have been part of a previous post and possibly the reverse of how I read it.

growstuff

PS. How do you feel when you meet somebody from Ireland?

Are you suggesting we judge a whole nation by the behaviour of a few?

growstuff

growstuff

Possibly a badge of honour to some!

PS That was in reply to DaisyAnne.

It was an exaggeration to say that Russia was chucked out; they were suspended for "gross and systematic violations of human rights ...".

I do think that some in this country think gross and systematic violations of human rights are okay, as long as it keeps them in power.

However, I would wonder what sort of voter would support that and see it as a reason warrenting a "badge of honour". Sadly, I agree, they probably do exist.

Our terrorists are largely home grown - so it is even more miniscule.

I've just been talking on another thread about risks. This is not aimed at GG13 but is a general observation.

People are very bad at identifying risk. The risk of a migrant being a terrorist is tiny. Absolutely tiny. So tiny, that we actually know the names of the people who have carried out terrorist attacks. So if we discriminate against everybody of the same nationality or dare I say it colour, as those terrorists, and say we should fear them or treat them differently because they might be terrorists, then we are being racist.

growstuff

PS. How do you feel when you meet somebody from Ireland?

One of my step-mothers was Irish, my half brother is half Irish.

My next door neighbours are Muslim and we are very good friends.

PS. How do you feel when you meet somebody from Ireland?

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

Urmstongran

Fancy taking on the Home Secretary job GG13? Your idea could just work. But my worry would be a total ‘open door’ policy. Maybe I’m too worried about the migrants as, although it’s only a tiny minority, some migrants do wish us harm in the West.

A tiny minority of people walking down your street now wish you (or somebody else) harm.

I do think that the thought of a terror attack is uppermost in a proportion of the population, people in Manchester, London or anywhere else where there has been a major attack will be that little bit more on their guard

I have been too close for comfort to several IRA bombs in London, I will never use the underground as a friend was on the train that was bombed, it’s just human nature.

Maybe! My daughter lived a few metres away from the stadium and heard it. Her friend worked in A & E in one of the main Manchester hospitals and treated some of the victims, including some who died. I doubt either will forget it. However, her partner is from a Muslim background. His father was born in Sudan and his mother had parents who were born in Yemen. They are capable of being rational and not conflating her partner's background and the attack.

growstuff

Possibly a badge of honour to some!

PS That was in reply to DaisyAnne.

Possibly a badge of honour to some!

Kandinsky

& I’d have more respect for you if you stopped playing the innocent.

That’s because she is innocent. She did notcall another poster that word, she called Lee Anderson it. As has been pointed out.

growstuff

DaisyAnne

Urmstongran

What's the point of a Supreme Court that is evidently not supreme?

This is beyond embarrassing for the government.

Perhaps you think Churchill got it wrong when we set up the European Court of Human Rights Urmstongran. You usually think that no one has the right to judge this government if I remember rightly - although I could have misunderstood.

As the UCHR was set up to work for individuals against extremes such as fascism, I would rather like to keep the UK's membership of it, particularly when I review current times.

Apparently, the only country which has left the ECHR is Russia after it invaded Ukraine (and Greece very briefly when the generals took over). Do we really want to be in such company?

Russia didn't leave, they were chucked out. Is that what this Tory government would see as a success?

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“Remember when Priti Patel got sacked for having secret meetings with the Israeli government… would you like to take a guess which other country has been deporting asylum seekers to Rwanda?”

growstuff

Urmstongran

I get what you’re all saying about the ECHR but my main point was, why do we bother with a Supreme Court here then if it’s not supreme? Seems little point in it really if there’s another court of appeal up the road. Just keep going lawyers (at great cost to the taxpayers will this ever end?) till you get what you want comes to mind.

Because the ECHR was set up as a last resort for rogue states, as a result of what happened in Nazi Germany and, to some extent, Stalin's Russia. Both Germany and Russia's supreme courts ruled they were doing nothing wrong.

The Supreme Court here deals with civil and criminal appeal cases in the UK where previously these appeals were dealt with by the House of Lords.

The ECHR is a court dealing with cases of human rights, ensuring the European Convention on Human Rights is adhered to.
Its task is to ensure that States respect the rights and guarantees set out in the Convention.

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran

I’m now of the view, nothing can be done, it’s too late.

Round up the people traffickers, set up officials outposts for people to apply for asylum, allow them to become working tax payers in their new home countries.

That way they become contributors as opposed to relying on handouts.

The money they propose spending on sending asylum seekers to Rwanda would go some way to achieving this.

Everyone has a right to access the law. Even a murderer of the worse kind is defended.

Johnson’s attack on the lawyers defending the asylum seekers is populism of the worse kind.

“The Bar Council and Law Society of England and Wales together call on the Prime Minister to stop attacks on legal professionals who are simply doing their jobs."

Perhaps my mind doesn't work like the government's?

Probably a good thing that it doesn't, Callistemon as the government's mind seems to only focus on dog whistle populism and destroying the constitution so as to gain unbridled power.

I don't have you down as being a megalomaniac

This is what provides protection to each individual from a rogue government.

Never make the mistake that what the government says is it’s interest is the same as yours.

Curlywhirly

I know Callistemon - what's the point of sending our asylum seekers/refugees to Rwanda, if we are going to accept Rwandans in return? And, ones that need care and are vulnerable to boot? Just how in God's name is this seen as a solution to our immigration problems?
Beggars belief!

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear - I thought perhaps that all asylum seekers might just be vulnerable and need care.

It seemed ironic to me that vulnerable people are being sent to another country in exchange for their vulnerable people coming here.

That was why I thought I was missing something vital.
Perhaps my mind doesn't work like the government's?

I just want to point out that GG13’s proposals, accepted as a good idea by Urmstongran are what the left have been proposing for many years.

Patel is an evil witch! How inhuman to send people to a country that is full of unrest when they have just come from war torn lands. I hate the woman - she is a bloody robot!