Rwanda

Maudi

Time to leave the ECHR that's what MPs are saying and I agree. The Supreme Court rules in the UK.

If I remember right after the Supreme Court ruled against Johnson’s attempt to prorogue parliament I read that he wanted to curtail the powers of the Supreme Court. Which means we’d be moving even closer to being a dictatorship.

Iam64

Farzanah

The lack of empathy for other human beings shown by some posters is utterly depressing. We only live in a safe country such as ours by accident of birth.
There is an interesting discussion to be had, but views are so entrenched it seems impossible by any rational argument and evidence, to engage.

For those interested there is a thought provoking article in The Conversation How the UK’s plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda is 21st century Imperialism writ large.
Very interesting. Pity we never learn from past mistakes.

Thanks to those posting from a position of common decency and compassion
Some of the comments about refugees and posters seen to be lefties and therefore stupid - make me despair. It’s a dreadful reminder why we have the current government

I agree Iam64. Sometimes it’s amusing to be lumped together as the lefties, but decent people of all backgrounds and political leanings are against the deportations, and a number have expressed their views on this thread. It’s the extremism by the right that scares me.

Maudi

Time to leave the ECHR that's what MPs are saying and I agree. The Supreme Court rules in the UK.

Not all mp's Maudi. Just the shouty ones pandering to certain sectors of the electorate. I had you down as a Churchill fan like your mate Johnson.

tickingbird

^Do you patrol the threads regularly looking for posters to tell off for breaking your posting rules?^

No MaizieD. I don’t. I have far more interesting and enjoyable things to do and the ‘posting rules’ are decided by GNHQ as I’m sure you know. Looks like they’ve deleted it so they didn’t like it either

Yes...

you might want to just have a check to see what's been deleted.

Not that I have any right to tell people what to do, of course

Farzanah

The lack of empathy for other human beings shown by some posters is utterly depressing. We only live in a safe country such as ours by accident of birth.
There is an interesting discussion to be had, but views are so entrenched it seems impossible by any rational argument and evidence, to engage.

For those interested there is a thought provoking article in The Conversation How the UK’s plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda is 21st century Imperialism writ large.
Very interesting. Pity we never learn from past mistakes.

Thanks to those posting from a position of common decency and compassion
Some of the comments about refugees and posters seen to be lefties and therefore stupid - make me despair. It’s a dreadful reminder why we have the current government

Do you patrol the threads regularly looking for posters to tell off for breaking your posting rules?

No MaizieD. I don’t. I have far more interesting and enjoyable things to do and the ‘posting rules’ are decided by GNHQ as I’m sure you know. Looks like they’ve deleted it so they didn’t like it either

HopeGN

Hi all,
Thanks to those who have reported their concerns about this thread. We have deleted several posts by various posters, and would request that this thread might return to the subject in hand rather than the pursual of personal enmities.

Why aren't you in pink HopeGN? GN posts usually are. Have we had a revamp?

And the word you're looking for is 'pursuit'.

Hi all,
Thanks to those who have reported their concerns about this thread. We have deleted several posts by various posters, and would request that this thread might return to the subject in hand rather than the pursual of personal enmities.

The lack of empathy for other human beings shown by some posters is utterly depressing. We only live in a safe country such as ours by accident of birth.
There is an interesting discussion to be had, but views are so entrenched it seems impossible by any rational argument and evidence, to engage.

For those interested there is a thought provoking article in The Conversation How the UK’s plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda is 21st century Imperialism writ large.
Very interesting. Pity we never learn from past mistakes.

growstuff

Urmstongran

Fancy taking on the Home Secretary job GG13? Your idea could just work. But my worry would be a total ‘open door’ policy. Maybe I’m too worried about the migrants as, although it’s only a tiny minority, some migrants do wish us harm in the West.

A tiny minority of people walking down your street now wish you (or somebody else) harm.

I do think that the thought of a terror attack is uppermost in a proportion of the population, people in Manchester, London or anywhere else where there has been a major attack will be that little bit more on their guard

I have been too close for comfort to several IRA bombs in London, I will never use the underground as a friend was on the train that was bombed, it’s just human nature.

Urmstongran

I get what you’re all saying about the ECHR but my main point was, why do we bother with a Supreme Court here then if it’s not supreme? Seems little point in it really if there’s another court of appeal up the road. Just keep going lawyers (at great cost to the taxpayers will this ever end?) till you get what you want comes to mind.

Because the ECHR was set up as a last resort for rogue states, as a result of what happened in Nazi Germany and, to some extent, Stalin's Russia. Both Germany and Russia's supreme courts ruled they were doing nothing wrong.

DaisyAnne

Urmstongran

What's the point of a Supreme Court that is evidently not supreme?

This is beyond embarrassing for the government.

Perhaps you think Churchill got it wrong when we set up the European Court of Human Rights Urmstongran. You usually think that no one has the right to judge this government if I remember rightly - although I could have misunderstood.

As the UCHR was set up to work for individuals against extremes such as fascism, I would rather like to keep the UK's membership of it, particularly when I review current times.

Apparently, the only country which has left the ECHR is Russia after it invaded Ukraine (and Greece very briefly when the generals took over). Do we really want to be in such company?

Urmstongran

Fancy taking on the Home Secretary job GG13? Your idea could just work. But my worry would be a total ‘open door’ policy. Maybe I’m too worried about the migrants as, although it’s only a tiny minority, some migrants do wish us harm in the West.

A tiny minority of people walking down your street now wish you (or somebody else) harm.

I think this thread is a prime example of what a hot potato refugees are becoming.

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran

I’m now of the view, nothing can be done, it’s too late.

Round up the people traffickers, set up officials outposts for people to apply for asylum, allow them to become working tax payers in their new home countries.

That way they become contributors as opposed to relying on handouts.

That sounds far too sensible! It wouldn't win many votes.

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran

I’m now of the view, nothing can be done, it’s too late.

Round up the people traffickers, set up officials outposts for people to apply for asylum, allow them to become working tax payers in their new home countries.

That way they become contributors as opposed to relying on handouts.

Granny, if only we would do something like this. Asylum seekers want to work and become part of the success of their new country. They have shown they have grit and determination to make this transition and will probably be an asset here rather than a drain - if we just let them work as you say.
WHY is Patel so determined to not introduce application "hubs" outside the UK?
Wd would also benefit from more staff dealing with the asylum seekers we have in limbo in the UK. Make the process quicker, re-instate the "return" deals with Europe. Be fair.

As Michelle Obama said, "When they go low, we go high." Unfortunately some people have entrenched opinions Volver and will never see the other side.

I'm not rising to any more on this.

Thanks for the support, those who gave it.

Volver We’re all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars.

I might occasionally look at the stars but not from the gutter. Obviously you speak from your own perspective,

Urmstongran

Fancy taking on the Home Secretary job GG13? Your idea could just work. But my worry would be a total ‘open door’ policy. Maybe I’m too worried about the migrants as, although it’s only a tiny minority, some migrants do wish us harm in the West.

I do not want an open door policy either Urmstongran

Daesh might be keeping a low profile, but they are still around.

By processing people in refugee camps it might be possible to ^weed out^those with potential to do U.K. or any other Western Nation harm, and welcome those who are fleeing in fear of their lives.

The ECHR stopped this flight, primarily, because we have no mechanism to return those already sent to Rwanda, if our Judicial `Review, due at the end of July, deems it illegal. - they wanted to be sure we had a mechanism in place, in case we were found to be doing things illegally. The obvious thing to do is simply set up such a mechanism or wait till we know if we are or aren't acting illegally - after all that will be decided in a few weeks.

You probably know that Denmark has a return mechanism already.

No need to leave the ECHR, even if you support the Rwanda policy.

Fancy taking on the Home Secretary job GG13? Your idea could just work. But my worry would be a total ‘open door’ policy. Maybe I’m too worried about the migrants as, although it’s only a tiny minority, some migrants do wish us harm in the West.

*Maudi is an aggressor Kandinsky. Have you read her posts?

& I’d have more respect for you if you stopped playing the innocent.

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