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Speaking the truth about brexit

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varian Sat 04-Jun-22 19:39:18

Sir Anthony Gormley whose mother was German has just applied to become a German citizen and of course an EU citizen. He tells the truth about brexit. It is time more public figures told the truth about this self afflicted disaster.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/jun/04/antony-gormley-to-become-german-citizen-due-to-tragedy-of-brexit

vegansrock Sun 26-Jun-22 08:10:31

Of course Brexit has been an economic disaster and it always was going to be, yes people believed the line that the EU was costing us billions which we would save and spend on British public services. What’s happened? Businesses forced to open branches in the Netherlands so they can continue trading with jobs and taxes going to the Dutch , oodles more red tape , fishing and agriculture far from being better off are going down the pan, the NHS is crumbling with lack of funds and fewer and fewer staff …why isn’t anyone telling the truth???

lemsip Sun 26-Jun-22 07:21:33

back in the day at elections your vote was a private matter known only to you and yours!
no one would have dreamed of asking who you voted for!

Iam64 Sun 26-Jun-22 07:17:56

Brexit is a bit like the invasion of Iraq. No consolation to have been right in predicting disaster

Daisymae Sat 25-Jun-22 23:20:49

Looking like the realities of Brexit are hitting some people hard. www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/25/what-have-we-done-six-years-on-uk-counts-the-cost-of-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Petera Sat 25-Jun-22 22:47:55

Urmstongran

Huh! I remain convinced that, if in power, Starmer could slide us back into the single market without too many voters really noticing. Under the guise of 'a better Brexit deal'. No good the LP mentioning it now, though. The RW press would have a field day. But it really is the only sensible thing to do

Sneaky. Not sensible. And not very democratic. All those who voted Remain would of course be delighted.

As would those leavers who, in 2016, said we would remain in the single market. Like Farage, Rees-Mogg....

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Jun-22 22:02:26

Starmer and the Lib Dems need to play their cards close to their chest as the headbangers will take every opportunity just like the referendum to threaten doom etc.

All lies of course.

So they need managing, which is precisely what I think is happening.

There is no need to get in a twist about brexit. Time will sort that out as indeed it is beginning to do.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Jun-22 21:48:53

MaizieD

Iam64

I want a Labour government. I’m in a red wall seat. I voted Remain (of course). No point rehashing the awful Remain campaign, or the bus of lies. Brexit is the disaster we predicted
I feel for Starmer. He wants my neighbours votes. My constituency is there to be won back. Unlikely to happen if he dares to diss the referendum. The best is we get a Labour government, they negotiate effectively….

I remain convinced that, if in power, Starmer could slide us back into the single market without too many voters really noticing. Under the guise of 'a better Brexit deal'. No good the LP mentioning it now, though. The RW press would have a field day. But it really is the only sensible thing to do.

Quite honestly any prime minister in normal times looks to improve and protect the U.K. economy, because from that falls everything else.

The Tories have spectacularly failed. The economy is look set to contract for a number of years and make no mistake austerity will be their priority if they think they can get away with it.
Just how much more hollowing out can the economy take?
Whoever is in power next should ensure that they make it as easy as possible for our traders to grow their businesses which will of course mean negotiating trade deals with our nearest neighbours. Why on Earth wouldnt you? Unless of course you are an ideologue and wish to impinge your misery on everyone, just like the anti-abortionists.

Urmstongran Sat 25-Jun-22 21:30:02

Huh! I remain convinced that, if in power, Starmer could slide us back into the single market without too many voters really noticing. Under the guise of 'a better Brexit deal'. No good the LP mentioning it now, though. The RW press would have a field day. But it really is the only sensible thing to do

Sneaky. Not sensible. And not very democratic. All those who voted Remain would of course be delighted.

MaizieD Sat 25-Jun-22 21:15:00

Iam64

I want a Labour government. I’m in a red wall seat. I voted Remain (of course). No point rehashing the awful Remain campaign, or the bus of lies. Brexit is the disaster we predicted
I feel for Starmer. He wants my neighbours votes. My constituency is there to be won back. Unlikely to happen if he dares to diss the referendum. The best is we get a Labour government, they negotiate effectively….

I remain convinced that, if in power, Starmer could slide us back into the single market without too many voters really noticing. Under the guise of 'a better Brexit deal'. No good the LP mentioning it now, though. The RW press would have a field day. But it really is the only sensible thing to do.

Iam64 Sat 25-Jun-22 19:59:16

Exactly so Galaxy. We are marginal that usually predicts which way the general election will go

Galaxy Sat 25-Jun-22 19:53:05

Please don't give that a try in my red wall seat as I would quite like labour to win back my seat.

Iam64 Sat 25-Jun-22 19:03:02

You’re welcome to try, any time

varian Sat 25-Jun-22 18:57:09

At what point do we explain to your neighbours that they were conned ans not only is brexit no working, it never will nor ever could work? Iam64?

Iam64 Sat 25-Jun-22 18:42:13

I want a Labour government. I’m in a red wall seat. I voted Remain (of course). No point rehashing the awful Remain campaign, or the bus of lies. Brexit is the disaster we predicted
I feel for Starmer. He wants my neighbours votes. My constituency is there to be won back. Unlikely to happen if he dares to diss the referendum. The best is we get a Labour government, they negotiate effectively….

varian Sat 25-Jun-22 18:01:18

Pigeon fancying is popular in the North of England where some who may have voted leave are now ruing the day.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/23/pigeon-fanciers-lobby-for-change-to-brexit-rules-on-cross-channel-races

varian Thu 23-Jun-22 13:27:19

Today is the sixth anniversary of the fraudulent referendum which we now know was won by lies, cheating and foriegn interference.

So the BBC Daily Politics programme marked this by having a "discussion" on how well brexit was going with a guest speaker who was a former UKIP MEP (who wanted more deregulation) and a panel of a Tory and Labour supporters, none of whom had the courage to say that brexit was a disastrous mistake which was making us poorer.

growstuff Thu 23-Jun-22 13:13:41

And don't forget that Brexit has enabled an erosion of human rights. Unfortunately, a section of the population thinks that's a good thing because they don't appear to understand the concept of universal human rights.

growstuff Thu 23-Jun-22 13:11:51

varian Ryanair's Mike O'Leary has said something similar. There are ads in the local papers this week for airline staff vacancies.

varian Thu 23-Jun-22 13:06:54

When the UK left the EU on January 31 2020, Boris Johnson hailed “the dawn of a new era”. More than two years later, the UK is depleted, disrespected and discredited. It is a cautionary tale; a nation adrift and bereft where every political principle has been sacrificed on the altar of Brexit expediency by a government trying to keep disingenuous promises made by people who never really understood what they were pledging. Or if they did, they had their fingers firmly crossed behind their backs.

Johnson has said he has got Brexit done. But six years after the referendum, the UK is on the brink of a bruising legal battle with Brussels, if not a full-blown trade war, while the economy is grinding to a halt as wages stagnate, prices spiral, farmers and fishers despair, and small businesses throw in the towel, defeated by reams of red tape.

The UK is still in thrall to a Brexit vision that was always unworkable in its hardest form and to a one-trick-pony prime minister, devoid of any policy other than saving his own skin and repeating the mantra that he got Brexit done.
By refusing to acknowledge the truth – on Brexit and much else – Johnson has impaled himself on his own lie. He cannot address the manifold problems that still plague the country because to admit to these problems would be to admit that Brexit is not done or working. And so the naked emperor must continue to stride through the crowds, pretending not to hear the shocked gasps and cries of “shame”.
www.theneweuropean.co.uk/after-six-years-its-clear-to-all-brexit-was-a-very-bad-idea/

varian Tue 21-Jun-22 14:09:29

The boss of Britain's biggest budget airline has contradicted a minister’s assertion that Brexit is not to blame for the airport and airline chaos.

Johan Lundgren, chief executive of EasyJet, said 8,000 job applications from European Union citizens have been rejected by his firm because candidates did not have permission to work in the UK.

Last week the aviation minister, Robert Courts, told MPs on the business select committee it was “not likely” that leaving the EU played a part in the chronic staff shortages afflicting aviation.
Mr Lundgren told The Independent: “The pool of people is smaller, it’s just maths.

“We have had to turn down a huge number of EU nationals because of Brexit. Pre-pandemic we would have turned down 2-2.5 per cent because of nationality issues,” Mr Lundgren said. “Now it’s 35-40 per cent.”

His comments came as Heathrow airport asked airlines flying from terminals 2 and 3 to cancel 10 per cent of their schedules on Monday due to mounting problems with baggage handling. The chaos began when a major system failure led to a build-up of a “baggage mountain” outside Terminal 2.

On Wednesday, Mr Courts was asked about the role of Brexit in the current turmoil – which is currently causing around 200 flight cancellations daily to, from and within the UK.

He said: “On the evidence we have, it looks as if Brexit has little if anything to do with it.”

The easyJet chief executive was speaking after announcing that easyJet’s summer schedule will shrink by 7 per cent in a bid to eliminate short-notice cancellations.

www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brexit-flight-cancelled-easyjet-staff-b2104884.html

Dickens Mon 20-Jun-22 15:01:37

varian

Stella Creasy MP urges the Labour Party to tell the truth about brexit

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/19/labour-must-break-partys-silence-on-brexit-says-stella-creasy

What stood out - to me - in the article was pointing out the "growing frustration among many Labour MPs and activists about Keir Starmer's refusal to address in any detail the Brexit issue..." As a previous enthusiast for a second referendum I find it almost breathtakingly hypocritical of him to say, as he did in February, 'There Is No Case For Rejoining The European Union' and he now wants to focus on 'taking advantage of the opportunities' of Brexit

He's lost my respect - not because I think we're anywhere near re-joining the EU (I think that is decades away - if it ever happens at all) - but because he won't nail his true colour to the mast, attempting to court popularity at the expense of honesty. How can he possibly go from being an ardent Remainer to the point of saying that ('There Is No Case For Rejoining The European Union")?

I've been highly critical of Boris Johnson for having once said that our problems in the UK are largely of our own making, and are not down to "Bwussels"... and has now turned his coat to blame everything on the EU. So I'm certainly going to condemn Starmer for doing basically the same thing... changing his allegiance for political gain (or personal gain, who knows).

There are odd moments when I despairingly think I wouldn't care what a politician / Prime Minister believed in... as long as he or she genuinely believed it and wasn't spouting glib mantras and populist nonsense for the sake of their own personal ambitions. At least with an honest politician / PM, you would know where you stood, even if you didn't agree with their ideology. As far as I'm concerned, Starmer is no better than Johnson in this respect.

Thanks for posting the link - I hadn't got around to reading the G.

Julia9TC Mon 20-Jun-22 13:09:53

The EU funded many buildings and services for disadvantaged areas in the UK; I worked for some years at a day centre for homeless people, on an EU project helping homeless people to improve their literacy and numeracy. The EU did this where there was need and our own government, spending our own taxes, hadn't bothered to do anything to help. As a Remainer, I absolutely support ad campaign for help for those areas of the Uk trashed by Thatcher. However, most of the Leave voters I know personally are either employed people, many of whom have told me they since regretted their vote, or members of the gammon tendency, i.e. comfortably-off retired people deluded by certain newspapers.

varian Mon 20-Jun-22 11:54:21

Stella Creasy MP urges the Labour Party to tell the truth about brexit

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/19/labour-must-break-partys-silence-on-brexit-says-stella-creasy

Dickens Mon 20-Jun-22 08:47:13

volver

I was told off for using the head banging emoji before, so I won't. Are people intentionally misunderstanding what I write?

And yes they were all cleaning ladies. The MD was a woman too, just in case anyone has any images of that person in their minds. And I know how she voted.

I was told off for using the head banging emoji before, so I won't.

... "told off"? Well not by me - feel free!

volver Mon 20-Jun-22 08:29:21

I was told off for using the head banging emoji before, so I won't. Are people intentionally misunderstanding what I write?

And yes they were all cleaning ladies. The MD was a woman too, just in case anyone has any images of that person in their minds. And I know how she voted.