Boris wins confidence vote

Well that's just bizarre.

There are about 20 notifiable diseases. I don't think adding monkeypox to the list is a plot to sell us to the WHO so they can take our legs off us.

growstuff

I've been reading some of the policy documents and there definitely is a move to introduce more online/remote services. There's a couple of billion pounds available for "retraining". That includes training staff in GP practices to be like 111 staff and a PR campaign to "retrain" the public not to expect face-to-face appointments.

... hence eConsult. This has been the plan for some time. To wean the public off F2F consultations. Eventually, they will introduce a scheme whereby you can have one, but you will have to pay for it.

There might be occasions when only advice is needed via a telephone call, but many people - especially those with young children and the elderly with complex issues really do need to be seen by their doctor and for him to interact with them.

I hope people who vote back in this bunch realise what they are actually voting for this time...

Don't forget when they are in charge of our health they may well decide that we only need one arm and one leg and they could legally amputate and we could do nothing about it

Did I miss something in all the Bozo hullaballoo?

Let him dig deeper holes and give opposition parties time to gather speed!!
If he goes now, who would fill his shoes? Sunak has shot himself in the foot. So, better the devil you know! BJ won’t be there forever .

This means that we have a Prime Minister who has lied to the public, partied whenever he wanted, kicked the British people in the teeth and still expects to govern as no one can unseat him (apparently). No wonder conservatives are leaving the party (tongue-in-cheek) in their droves. I myself am an ex Conservative.

The TV cameras in at the start of a Cabinet meeting usually show smiley faces, Bozzer cracking jokes, toadies guffawing etc - today it was all sombre, serious and trying to look all business like.

I bet he was looking at each and every one of them trying to work out who voted against him, as surely some must have done.

Dickens It's not just children and the elderly (unless that's me) who benefit from F2F consultations.

I booked an online consultation about some of my diabetes medication. The GP rang me as promised and said that she really felt she should see me, so duly made a F2F appointment for me.

I attended the appointment this morning and she spent half an hour with me. I walked out with a prescription for fungal toe treatment, having had a full foot inspection and weight and blood pressure checks. I've been booked in for further blood tests and we discussed how spinal compression could be causing the pains I have in my leg and foot - and she promised to see me about it after my op.

The GP talked to me about how I feel about my forthcoming op and how I can be supported. At this point I burst into tears and could have hugged her because this was how GPs used to be and I realised I just needed to be able to talk.

Most of the time I do diagnose/treat myself and use the pharmacy when necessary. I'm reasonably computer savvy and know where to look for reliable information. I'm happy enough to use eConsult and other telephone/online services where they're appropriate, but there really is no substitute for F2F consultations. All the GPs I know chose the role because they want to provide a more holistic, personal approach and they're as frustrated as anybody that they can't. I don't think turning the GP service into a glorified 111/Netflix is going to attract people to fill the 6,000 vacancies.

volver

Well that's just bizarre.

There are about 20 notifiable diseases. I don't think adding monkeypox to the list is a plot to sell us to the WHO so they can take our legs off us.

There putting out the rumour to deflect from the truth that we're being sold off to the WWF.

I hold no brief for Boris Johnson, but the man is surely entitled to believe that as 60% of his parliamentary party expressed confidence in him, he would be letting them down if he left.

All public figures and indeed nearly everyone else as well receive criticism at times. Can we really expect people to leave a job they have taken on because under half of those they work with criticise them?

Would you?

Would you travel in a plane if 1/3 of the people the pilot worked with didn’t think he was fit to do the job?

volver

Well that's just bizarre.

There are about 20 notifiable diseases. I don't think adding monkeypox to the list is a plot to sell us to the WHO so they can take our legs off us.

There over 30 notifiable diseases, including food poisoning, measles, mumps and rubella.

www.gov.uk/guidance/notifiable-diseases-and-causative-organisms-how-to-report

It seems somewhat bizarre to me too. I've never heard about threatened lockdowns when there's been an outbreak of measles, although local public health authorities have a duty to launch public information campaigns - quite right!

I've certainly never heard of any threat to amputate limbs as a result of a notifiable disease.

It's surely a positive sign that the government is tracking monkey pox early rather than letting it get out of hand, which it could. We did that with Covid.

grandtanteJE65

I hold no brief for Boris Johnson, but the man is surely entitled to believe that as 60% of his parliamentary party expressed confidence in him, he would be letting them down if he left.

All public figures and indeed nearly everyone else as well receive criticism at times. Can we really expect people to leave a job they have taken on because under half of those they work with criticise them?

Would you?

A large number of the 58% who voted for Johnson are members of the Cabinet or in some sort of ministerial post. On the government payroll. A great many of them could be heaved out of office by Johnson's successor. Of course they're gong to vote for him.

Whereas, 75% of backbenchers voted against him. They're the lobby fodder; the nodding dogs who form the majority in votes on proposed legislation. If they withdraw their votes nothing can be passed. He seems to be a lame duck.

grandtanteJE65

I hold no brief for Boris Johnson, but the man is surely entitled to believe that as 60% of his parliamentary party expressed confidence in him, he would be letting them down if he left.

All public figures and indeed nearly everyone else as well receive criticism at times. Can we really expect people to leave a job they have taken on because under half of those they work with criticise them?

Would you?

Yes, I would leave. I'm not convinced that they've expressed confidence as much as been threatened with losing their incomes. If nearly half my co-workers thought I wasn't fit for my job, I don't even know how I could go to work every morning. I certainly wouldn't be able to lead them.

It means 60% have confidence

Definitely growstuff. Leader of the HoC and former Chief Whip Mark Spencer is on record as having said that the 2019 intake was poor. An article in yesterday's paper from a Tory staffer reads:

"A very common view among more senior MPs and Tory staffers is that the recent intake of Conservative backbenchers, often those from the “red wall” seats, are often of low ability, even not hugely clever. Both 2017 and 2019 elections were sudden, and there just wasn’t enough time to vet candidates.

A lot of them don’t have especially good non-political careers to fall back on, so being an MP is all they have. These MPs are not especially good at holding the prime minister to account. In part, they sometimes just don’t understand very well how politics and parliament work. But also, all they want is to stay in parliament, and so are less willing to stand up to the government. For now, many see their only viable chance of re-election being with Johnson as the leader. Not least because the question asked by most Tory MPs is, who next? They don’t especially care if the party wins a majority at the next election, not least because there doesn’t seem to be any plan for government.

As long as there is no credible alternative, and they believe they can hold on to their seat with him at the helm, they will not push for him to go."

If I were a Conservative MP now, I would be going back to my constituents and sounding them out because ultimately they're the ones who will keep me in my job.

It's highly likely that some of them will lose the whip, in which case they're going to have to stand as independents if they want to continue as an MP. If they do that, they're going to need the backing of constituents. If they're in a marginal constituency and have put the party above the people who voted for them, they thoroughly deserve to lose their seat.

My MP is a careerist, who is rarely in the constituency. She tweeted that her constituents had told her to back Johnson. She also claimed that she'd spoken to them over the weekend, even though nobody seems to have seen her at any local Jubilee events. Not saying she's a liar, but ...

There are literally hundred of outraged comments on a local Facebook page, many from people who claim to be Conservative supporters. This is classic "Waitrose Woman" territory and people can be pushed so far. For the first time ever, I think there's a faint possibility we might not have a Conservative MP after the next election.

katy1950

It means 60% have confidence

No, it means perhaps 25% have confidence, and the other 35% either daren’t vote against because they are being paid extra as ministers, or they are new intake 2019 and are naive enough to believe him because he was popular when they were elected. Just look at the detail, most experienced, back bench MPs have voted against him. That tells the story.

katy1950

It means 60% have confidence

No, it doesn't. It means 60% are watching their own backs.

katy1950

It means 60% have confidence

And if many of the 40% with hold their votes he won't be able to get any legislation through parliament. There is no guarantee that they're all going to continue to support him if it is legislation they don't agree with..

They are only interested in themselves and their fishy salaries and all who voted to keep him are also liars with no ethics

grandtanteJE65

I hold no brief for Boris Johnson, but the man is surely entitled to believe that as 60% of his parliamentary party expressed confidence in him, he would be letting them down if he left.

All public figures and indeed nearly everyone else as well receive criticism at times. Can we really expect people to leave a job they have taken on because under half of those they work with criticise them?

Would you?

Anyone with any integrity would have a moment of self-reflection and examine their principles if 40% of the people they worked with stated they had no confidence in them as their leader.

And if a wider audience - in this instance the general public - have made it clear via the polling booth and mails to their MPs, that they, too, are dissatisfied, then yes, I would expect them to seriously consider resigning.

Both Margaret Thatcher and Theresa May were, ultimately, forced to do just that.

A vote of confidence is a censure motion and indicates the government has lost the support of the Commons - the very fact of it happening is reason enough for any leader to examine his conscience.

Johnson has lied - consistently. That is not a good look for a Prime Minister.

Would I leave a job if so many had no confidence in me? Yes, I would. I'd be too ashamed to continue.

Tobias Ellwood ( an MP who I have the utmost respect for) is desperate to get rid of Johnson

hence eConsult. This has been the plan for some time. To wean the public off F2F consultations. Eventually, they will introduce a scheme whereby you can have one, but you will have to pay for it.

Step 1 in the Tory’s privatisation of the NHS - free at the point of need???Step 2 - if you need an overnight stay in hospital, you pay for the ‘facilities’; Step 3 - if you require an ambulance, you pay for it… I could go on.

If you were running an organisation and 40% of your employees wanted you out of that job would you call that an outstanding show of support?

Yesterday Johnson described the confidence vote as 'less than a flesh wound'.

Today in the Mail Peter Hitchens is describing Keir Starmer as a 'revolutionary'. www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10898627/PETER-HITCHENS-Revolutionary-past-gives-lie-notion-Keir-Starmer-moderate.html

Deny. Smear. Spin. Lie. Promise more housing (with no plan for its execution or track record of success). This is the next stage of their plan. God I hope people don't fall for this nonsense.