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Was Prince Charles right to make his views about the Rwanda plan widely known?

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volver Sat 11-Jun-22 10:15:39

Just that really.

Anniebach Sun 12-Jun-22 09:25:34

Do post full facts of your allegations not something from your
republican sites.

Galaxy Sun 12-Jun-22 09:23:51

I would be happy with PC saying anything he liked Daisy, my beliefs on free speech even extend to PC. However I am.interested if other people would be happy with regard to him expressing his views on abortion for example. You cant just say it's ok because it's about human rights because other people will have very different views on what is/isnt human rights. I think to be honest it's about the position of the monarchy rather than free speech as such. If PC wasnt king in all but name it wouldnt matter what he said.

volver Sun 12-Jun-22 09:22:20

Anniebach

They are not facing allegations of racism , please don’t lie

Anniebach the Royal family are facing allegations of racism.

You may not believe it or you may feel that they are not guilty, but you can't call people liars when they repeat the truth.

Grany Sun 12-Jun-22 09:17:15

The Royal Family by its very nature is a racist institution
Only white people classism bowing and curtsying
Colonialism slavery

Queen had anti discrimination laws changed.

The household used to ban black and Asian immigrants from staff appointments. The palace also successfully lobbied to be exempted from race laws that ban discrimination in the workplace.

Queen mother was known racist some stuff she said could not be printed. P Philip was known for making racist comments on official tours.

Anniebach Sun 12-Jun-22 08:41:18

They are not facing allegations of racism , please don’t lie

Grany Sun 12-Jun-22 08:32:35

The UK has one of the most expensive, ostentatious and unreformed monarchies in the democratic world. They currently face accusations of cash-for-access, racism and failing to cooperate with US law-enforcement #AbolishTheMonarchy

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 12-Jun-22 08:22:14

He probably has a pretty good idea who it was.

Daisymae Sun 12-Jun-22 08:13:40

He didn't actually speak out, as far as I understand. He expressed a view in a private conversation. I'm no royalist but he's entitled to an opinion. Now, I'd quite like to know who gave an exclusive to two newspapers!

TopsyIrene06 Sun 12-Jun-22 08:07:20

If it was said in private, it should not have been shared. If it was said in public, I salute him. The idea that we are doing this is gross.

Lucca Sat 11-Jun-22 23:19:48

Whitewavemark2

LauraNorderr

I’m a fully paid up member of the Conservative Party. I’d say I’m right of centre but I won’t stand by and let this happen. I’ve written to my MP and will not vote Conservative again if this policy happens.
Prince Charles is right to be concerned and should say so publicly. Not politics, just basic humanity.

That is so heartening.

Very.

Granny23 Sat 11-Jun-22 23:17:03

Charles will be representing the Queen when he goes to the Commonwealth Conference in Rawanda (where the topic is sure to arise. What is he supposed to do/say then?

It must be very difficult to be put on the spot like this and difficult for other Commonwealth Countries to understand why the Royals will not speak about such matters. The decisions are after all made by

HER MAJESTIE'S GOVERNMENT

volver Sat 11-Jun-22 23:07:32

I think this is an interesting situation because the issue is about our government breaching human rights and breaking international law. In these circumstances I think it's right for PC to speak out, and I think it would be right for him to comment on it and do something about it if he was Head of State. In other issues where some people have different opinions on whether something is right or wrong, or where something is party political, then he should not be speaking out

DaisyAnne Sat 11-Jun-22 22:54:35

When did it happen that you thought only people who agree with you should say anything Galaxy. Or are you suggesting that is how others act?

LauraNorderr Sat 11-Jun-22 22:52:48

I take your point Galaxy, worthy of thought.
Is it to do with right and wrong?
Gay rights is about equality, as is racism, feminism, etc. therefore always an absolute right to equality.
Abortion has too many variables. A woman’s right to choose especially where rape, poor physical health or poor mental health are involved as opposed to a child’s right to life. No absolute right or wrong.
I suppose, in conclusion, my opinion is that Charles should speak out only where there is absolute right. Will give it more thought and come back tomorrow.

Galaxy Sat 11-Jun-22 22:34:44

All sorts of issues could be described as nothing to do with politics ( I am not sure I agree but let's go with it) abortion, gay rights etc. Are you ok with PC expressing his views on those issues. And he may not agree with you on thse issues.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Jun-22 22:34:44

LauraNorderr

I’m a fully paid up member of the Conservative Party. I’d say I’m right of centre but I won’t stand by and let this happen. I’ve written to my MP and will not vote Conservative again if this policy happens.
Prince Charles is right to be concerned and should say so publicly. Not politics, just basic humanity.

That is so heartening.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Jun-22 22:33:22

I see another Archbishop has spoken out against the transportations.

LauraNorderr Sat 11-Jun-22 22:32:16

I’m a fully paid up member of the Conservative Party. I’d say I’m right of centre but I won’t stand by and let this happen. I’ve written to my MP and will not vote Conservative again if this policy happens.
Prince Charles is right to be concerned and should say so publicly. Not politics, just basic humanity.

LauraNorderr Sat 11-Jun-22 22:28:12

No decent person can stand by and let this happen. Nothing to do with politics.

LauraNorderr Sat 11-Jun-22 22:24:30

Didn’t many cross to the other side? Prince Charles is only acting like the Good Samaritan by expressing concern about immoral and inhumane treatment of others.

Callistemon21 Sat 11-Jun-22 22:16:08

I remember the carbuncle remark! ?

Ali23 Sat 11-Jun-22 22:11:00

You could just as easily say he has been wrong to speak out about environmental issues. I have no problem with anyone with integrity speaking their mind, whether I agree with it or not, as long as I can speak mine too. That’s democracy. He isn’t king yet.
Isn’t that why the queen said she was proud of him last week?

Callistemon21 Sat 11-Jun-22 22:06:14

Is he wrong to speak out on what is essentially a humanitarian issue?

I don't think so. He is not the Sovereign.

DaisyAnne Sat 11-Jun-22 21:02:04

nadateturbe

maddyone

I agree with Grany and Galaxy. It’s fine whilst Prince Charles speaks out on something everyone can agree with, but what when the subject matter is not what everyone agrees with? It’s either all or nothing, and in my opinion it should be nothing.

I agree. I hadn't actually thought of that.

So he can't look at the upcoming visit and discuss what questions may arise?

Can you tell me what "opinions" he express - with at least a little proof it ever happened.

Callistemon21 Sat 11-Jun-22 20:56:10

nadateturbe

maddyone

I agree with Grany and Galaxy. It’s fine whilst Prince Charles speaks out on something everyone can agree with, but what when the subject matter is not what everyone agrees with? It’s either all or nothing, and in my opinion it should be nothing.

I agree. I hadn't actually thought of that.

But not everyone agrees about everything.