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Was Prince Charles right to make his views about the Rwanda plan widely known?

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volver Sat 11-Jun-22 10:15:39

Just that really.

nadateturbe Sat 11-Jun-22 20:54:06

maddyone

I agree with Grany and Galaxy. It’s fine whilst Prince Charles speaks out on something everyone can agree with, but what when the subject matter is not what everyone agrees with? It’s either all or nothing, and in my opinion it should be nothing.

I agree. I hadn't actually thought of that.

DaisyAnne Sat 11-Jun-22 20:35:53

You are right Mollygo. To me, the story is that someone has reported a private conversation, that was generated by concern about Charles and Camilla's forthcoming visit. Someone should be sacked.

The rest is froth.

Galaxy Sat 11-Jun-22 20:28:44

It would depend on the rules relating to my employment. If it was confidential information I would expect to be in a bit of trouble.

Mollygo Sat 11-Jun-22 20:16:40

I think he’s entitled to his opinion. Shame he can’t trust anyone he speaks to. Regardless of Prince Charles’ rights to speak about political matters, I’m just wondering about this.

If you passed an opinion in private about some management actions going on at work, and you arrived the next day to find your comments were common knowledge and you were being slated for having said it, would you consider yourself in the wrong for having said it?

DaisyAnne Sat 11-Jun-22 19:51:25

What it is thought he said is that the discussion on deportations to Rwanda might overshadow the upcoming visit by Charles and Camilla to Rwanda later this month to attend a meeting of Commonwealth leaders.

Why shouldn't he express this privately?

rafichagran Sat 11-Jun-22 19:49:30

He is not King yet, and I am glad he has supposedly expressed his views.He has a heart, and can see how alful this is for people already suffering.

DaisyAnne Sat 11-Jun-22 19:46:54

maddyone

I agree with Grany and Galaxy. It’s fine whilst Prince Charles speaks out on something everyone can agree with, but what when the subject matter is not what everyone agrees with? It’s either all or nothing, and in my opinion it should be nothing.

So tell me maddyone where he "spoke out" and what he said?

Callistemon21 Sat 11-Jun-22 19:40:19

If it wasn't for public consumption then I don't see a problem - surely Royalty are allowed private opinions?

Goodness me, you would think, No!! ?

In fact Charles has said that, should he become King, then he wouldn't be able to express such views.

Dickens Sat 11-Jun-22 19:09:18

DiamondLily

No. Politicians are elected, royals are not. They should stay out of politics - whatever the subject.

... I understood it was a comment during a private conversation (don't know if that's true).

If it wasn't for public consumption then I don't see a problem - surely Royalty are allowed private opinions?

maddyone Sat 11-Jun-22 18:24:26

I agree with Grany and Galaxy. It’s fine whilst Prince Charles speaks out on something everyone can agree with, but what when the subject matter is not what everyone agrees with? It’s either all or nothing, and in my opinion it should be nothing.

DaisyAnne Sat 11-Jun-22 18:11:08

Whitewavemark2

Traditionally - no

Morally - right

Legally - nothing stopping him.

But don’t forget that we don’t really know what was said, or indeed if anything was said.

Agree with 1, 2 and 3 but, as you say, he may not have said anything.

This "report" could be the usual stirring from our so-called "news" papers. Some unnamed person told another person that he said this in a private conversation and, of course, all those with a wicked tongue will love making something out of nothing.

Galaxy Sat 11-Jun-22 17:59:34

I completely agree with Grany. If you are happy with him speaking out on this then you need to be sure you would be happy about him speaking out on other areas on which you may not agree with him.

Antonia Sat 11-Jun-22 17:26:26

Traditionally, royals have stayed away from airing their political views, but I have a feeling that Charles won't let that stop him, either now or when he becomes king.

He holds some deeply entrenched views and is quite capable of letting people know what they are. It will be interesting to see what kind of job he will make of kingship, when it happens.

volver Sat 11-Jun-22 15:53:52

I'm happy with him speaking out as a non-political Head of State with an interest in maintaining the rule of law internationally, and representing the interests of the people of this union. Its a good example for how Heads of State should behave.

He's not giving a speech in support of, or against the government.

Grany Sat 11-Jun-22 15:50:35

Anyone who’s happy with Charles speaking out on this should consider how they’d feel if he gave a speech in support of the government. This is why he needs to keep his opinions to himself, even when he’s right.

Charles is good friends with Middle East dictators, he’s not a human rights champion. The issue here isn’t this policy but the danger of an unaccountable king interfering in policy. It’s easy to be on the right side of this issue, but what happens when he’s on the wrong side?

Rosina Sat 11-Jun-22 14:45:00

Once again we have a 'well informed source' or a 'close friend' - it must be quite useful to put any lies on the front page, declaring in headlines that a member of the RF has said this. The RF never reply, wisely, as they would then be into a 'He said she said' situation that could go on for ever. I can't see how close friends would ever repeat what the PoW has said, especialy not to the press, and therefore dismiss it as a waste of newsprint.

Boz Sat 11-Jun-22 14:15:37

Charles is to visit Rwanda shortly and is, rightly, concerned about the possible embarrassment of this policy.

Zoejory Sat 11-Jun-22 14:09:38

The media. Making stuff up as it goes along. Had Prince Charles said this during an interview, fair enough. But someone has decided that a leak suggesting his disapproval of the Rwanda plan would be an OK thing to do. And it's not.

I would hazard a guess he's not best pleased with the idea. But we don't know.

I've just read an article where the BBC has had to apologise for saying that Anthony Gormley was binning his British passport due to Brexit. He has a British and German passport and is proud to be seen as a British citizen.

So much nonsense in MSM

DiamondLily Sat 11-Jun-22 14:04:34

MaizieD

DiamondLily

No. Politicians are elected, royals are not. They should stay out of politics - whatever the subject.

We grans aren't elected, either. Do we have to stay out of politics?

By convention he was wrong to allow it to be 'leaked' (which he clearly must have done).

Naturally I agree with his view on Rwanda.

If he were actually king, would he be able to express this view in his regular audience with the PM?

Clarence House have clarified he doesn't have a view, and is neutral on the policy.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10906805/Prince-Charles-neutral-says-Clarence-House-amid-claims-called-Rwanda-deportations-appalling.html

Caleo Sat 11-Jun-22 14:03:51

It's pity that our monarchs are not allowed to provide moral leadership.

Iam64 Sat 11-Jun-22 13:17:44

Yes

BlueBelle Sat 11-Jun-22 12:30:25

Riverwalk this subject is so so important that everyone should speak out even you
He s got a heart more than can be said of Patel who has forgotten conveniently her roots just like Trump forgot his family were all immigrants ….

and Nigel Farage can go and take a big old jump

merlotgran Sat 11-Jun-22 12:28:51

He has said he won’t make political statements when he is King.

Well , he’s not king yet so go for it, Charles!

winterwhite Sat 11-Jun-22 12:26:59

Yes, to the original question. And since when is expressing an opinion 'interfering'?

?? On a par with Prince William choosing to sell the Big Issue on the street on the very day when the Prime Minister was announcing his crackpot housing 'policy' which will do nothing for the homeless.

GagaJo Sat 11-Jun-22 12:22:28

Smileless2012

The Oprah interview wasn't a royal leak Gagajo.

I agree aonk his private conversations should remain private.

I wasn't referring to the interview. I'm talking about 'sources from the palace say...'

* The incident with the bridesmaids. Leaked long before Ophrah.
* Leaks about MM bullying staff. Long before any court cases.
* Even the tiara leak.