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Can we discuss the migrant crisis in a sensible and humane way?

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HousePlantQueen Wed 15-Jun-22 18:26:59

I know there is a thread running already, but I thought maybe a new one where the usual myths and lies were not trotted out would be nice, one where we could perhaps start to agree that 'something must be done'? Maybe a few suggestions as to how what is a massive issue could be dealt with?

Rene72 Mon 20-Jun-22 14:59:20

The trouble is when these migrants do something against the law and are defended by unscrupulous lawyers we can’t deport them.
I feel sorry for the young woman who was violently raped by a man who’d only been in this country a number of days. He the spent 4 of his 8 year sentence in jail and then put on a plane to be deported. The passengers of which then refused to let the plane take off without knowing of his violent disposition. He has used every excuse not to be deported with the help of these lawyers.
She now spends her life looking over her shoulder and lives in fear. Let’s face it she’s not on her own as rape and crime seem to be a way of life for some.
I wonder how those passengers feel now they know the truth about him.
The trouble is they destroy their papers and we absolutely nothing about them.
We should not be letting criminals into our country. If they can’t produce papers they shouldn’t be allowed in!

growstuff Mon 20-Jun-22 15:16:02

So you label all refugees as rapists just because one was?

No, refugees don't all destroy their paperwork. This has already been discussed on this thread. Some countries won't issue paperwork in the first place.

growstuff Mon 20-Jun-22 15:19:29

volver

Is there any evidence at all that any party are thinking of introducing a mansion tax to pay for asylum seekers? Any evidence at all?

Because if not, why bring it up?

The idea of a "mansion tax" (ie wealth tax rather than income tax) has been discussed by tax reformers and there are some research papers about how it could work. However, I have never seen it discussed in relation to asylum seekers. I suspect this is a red herring to increase the negative spin about accepting asylum seekers.

volver Mon 20-Jun-22 15:30:01

The Daily Mail checklist...

✅ unscrupulous lawyers (aka lefty enemies of the people)
✅refugees could be rapists
✅invent "virtue signalling" passengers who never existed
✅they destroy their papers
✅refugees are illegals

Did I miss anything?

25Avalon Mon 20-Jun-22 15:58:42

Presumably the rapist was a legal migrant? If so there was nothing to stop his entry to UK. The problem is that his deportation as an undesirable is being thwarted. Any migrant convicted of rape should serve their sentence and/or deportation.

DoNotDisturb Thu 30-Jun-22 09:17:36

Just a quick observation on the difference in the way the Govt has responded to help Ukraine! I am hosting a refugee from UA, and delighted to be able to do so, but for years have wondered helplessly why we've not been allowed to help other refugees and asylum seekers in a similar way. Surely it can't just be a case of skin pigmentation??????

GrannyGravy13 Thu 30-Jun-22 09:45:14

DoNotDisturb

Just a quick observation on the difference in the way the Govt has responded to help Ukraine! I am hosting a refugee from UA, and delighted to be able to do so, but for years have wondered helplessly why we've not been allowed to help other refugees and asylum seekers in a similar way. Surely it can't just be a case of skin pigmentation??????

There has been a Government scheme up and running for years to help refugees from all over the world.

A dear friend of ours has housed young men from Syria, Sudan, Afghanistan and other nations of conflict.

Both the young men and our friends received a lot of support from social workers and other agencies.

The majority went into education and several are at Universities one is a junior doctor.

DoNotDisturb Thu 30-Jun-22 19:55:27

Wasn't aware of any such scheme GG, would've definitely participated. It certainly wasn't as well publicised as the Ukraine scheme!