Can we discuss the migrant crisis in a sensible and humane way?

Whilst I totally agree that the situation is a problem all over the world, however other countries seem to be dealing with it in their own ways. Just look at the size of most of the safe countries they have to travel through to get to Calais in the first place. We are a small country in comparison and to be honest how many more can we actually take, as there are people of all religions and races that were born here and they don't have anywhere to live or a decent job either.

Why on earth do people think its acceptable to tell people to get lost and stop posting?

Maybe I should just leave all the ill informed people to post rubbish all day? That make you happy?

You can criticise my opinions and posts all you like, but don't be telling me not to post.

1 million visas were granted last year to live here.

volver Good God. I know we should be understanding of people's worries about immigration, but sometimes it all just gets too much to deal with.

So don't deal with it. If you feel like that why are you on here day in and day out moaning about it, with 'banging your head against a brisk wall' emojis and endlessly criticising other people's posts?

Why are asylum applications not made in France

How do you think they got to France 4allweknow? Ruby slippers?

Nannashirlz

It’s not rambling it’s actually fact and you know nothing volver just look at our schools our nhs our housing. Read attached

Just call me John Snow.

GrannyGravy13

Taxes do not fund spending

Should we all just stop paying our taxes then? What on earth are they doing with it?!?!?!

The NHS and GP surgeries have problems now, long waiting lists etc but never mind let all and sundry come the British taxpayer will foot the bill.

Are some people for real we are not Gaza and I couldn't care less if its over populated or not what a ridiculous statement.

We are a small Island what should we do, let all and sundry in that's Labour and Lib Dems stance, keep building houses for them all never mind some British people have been waiting years for a place to call home. Then when we have no land left to build homes on and house people what then when they are still coming?

Taxes do not fund spending

Nannashirlz

It’s not rambling it’s actually fact and you know nothing volver just look at our schools our nhs our housing. Read attached

But more people = more people producing = more people paying taxes = more money to build schools and hospitals. Simples!

Because that is where it will end if people keep arriving at the rate of sometimes 500 per day.

It would take 36 years for the UK population to double at that rate - and even then the country wouldn't be "full".

It’s not rambling it’s actually fact and you know nothing volver just look at our schools our nhs our housing. Read attached

What's "overpopulated"? I wonder how people in Gaza manage.

volver

libra10

@volver
Regarding applications, France is 2.5 times the size of the UK; Spain twice as big; Germany 1.5 times the size of our country.
Like @ajswan says - our infrastructure is overloaded, we cannot cope with all these people.

It was applications per head of populations.

Doesn't matter how big your country is. You can't make people live at the top of an Alp or in a desert. Although I'm sure that would be popular with some people on here.

If a country is already overpopulated then how does it make sense to have applications per head of population? That just makes it more overcrowded.

Is the UK meant to cover every inch of green space and farming land with housing? Because that is where it will end if people keep arriving at the rate of sometimes 500 per day. We also have mountains, forests and moorland to take into account, and there's not really much space is left when you see how our towns are increasing in size.

Just to stir it up - asylum seekers having reached eg France have reached safety and isn't that what seeking asylum is all about, safety, free from persecution. Why are asylum applications not made in France then EU citizenship before then applying to live in UK. A lot of the meaning of asylum seems to get lost when someone is already in a safe country. Yes some will have families in various countries, may not speak various languages but are these really barriers to seeking asylum in the first safe country an asylum seeker arrives in.

Greenland now. That's very big.

Why don't they take more refugees, that's what I'd like to know.

libra10

@volver
Regarding applications, France is 2.5 times the size of the UK; Spain twice as big; Germany 1.5 times the size of our country.
Like @ajswan says - our infrastructure is overloaded, we cannot cope with all these people.

It was applications per head of populations.

Doesn't matter how big your country is. You can't make people live at the top of an Alp or in a desert. Although I'm sure that would be popular with some people on here.

When you compare stats of how many refuges apply and are granted asylum in each country do we needs to take into account land mass,population, and birth rates as just a start in considerations. For example Germany is aprox 1.5 times bigger than UK and France 2.5. While Greece is about 1.9 times smaller and has a very small population 10.7 million. Greece however has a very low birth rate and high ageing population they really need immigrants. My question is what is the criteria for any country in determining how many immigrants they choose to accept, because I haven’t a clue

It’s simple those who come to the UK with a Visa are legal, those who arrive without a Visa are illegal.

They may well claim asylum or we may rescue them for humanitarian reasons. If we can identify them they are sent back.

I will continue to use illegal because until they are proven refugees that is what they are.

@volver
Regarding applications, France is 2.5 times the size of the UK; Spain twice as big; Germany 1.5 times the size of our country.
Like @ajswan says - our infrastructure is overloaded, we cannot cope with all these people.

Nannashirlz

Don’t fret all coming to a neighbourhood near you soon then let’s hear you saying oh the poor single young illegal migrants men then. Village not far from me 700 ppl live in it and up to 1500 single men are moving their real soon and don’t think I own my home won’t affect me. Because ppl that live there do. Beautiful village about to be ruined. No mention of the 16 that got here on boats and disappeared into cars and yes we don’t take as many has other countries but we an island not as big. But no we put them in 4 star hotels and I’ve witnessed with my own eyes so don’t give me oh no we don’t because we do. What you want to be asking yourself is why most are young fighting age men.

This is just rambling.

I expect they are young fighting age men becuase there is a plot to infiltrate the UK and take it over from within, then we'll all have to wear burkas and stay at home all day.

Good God. I know we should be understanding of people's worries about immigration, but sometimes it all just gets too much to deal with. ?

Deciding whether people are granted asylum is a whole different thing to deciding whether to deport them to Rwanda, though.

Don’t fret all coming to a neighbourhood near you soon then let’s hear you saying oh the poor single young illegal migrants men then. Village not far from me 700 ppl live in it and up to 1500 single men are moving their real soon and don’t think I own my home won’t affect me. Because ppl that live there do. Beautiful village about to be ruined. No mention of the 16 that got here on boats and disappeared into cars and yes we don’t take as many has other countries but we an island not as big. But no we put them in 4 star hotels and I’ve witnessed with my own eyes so don’t give me oh no we don’t because we do. What you want to be asking yourself is why most are young fighting age men.

I suppose, in the end, it doesn't matter where they may or may not be obligated to claim asylum.

This will be settled on whether this country (the government), feels any obligation or willingness to allow them to stay here.

No doubt the Court will sort that out, at the Judicial Review.

Raab says he is unsure what the result will be:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rwanda-asylum-seekers-courts-raab-b2102366.html