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What are your views on unions & strikes?

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Kandinsky Thu 16-Jun-22 19:45:36

National rail strike next week.

They have my full support. ?

MaizieD Fri 17-Jun-22 14:21:12

I think we should still be sending little boys up chimneys to sweep them and they should be bl**dy grateful they're not just left to starve...

Smileless2012 Fri 17-Jun-22 13:56:57

I feel for them too GrannyGravy and for those who have hospital appointments to keep and students who have exams to get to, not to mention those on low incomes and having to manage as best they can.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 17-Jun-22 13:53:06

I feel for those who will not be able to get into work for at least three days next week and in all probability lose three days pay due to no fault of their own at a time when every penny counts.

volver Fri 17-Jun-22 13:29:14

Beautful

Volver & others ... I stick by what I say ... also ones calling the
strike will get paid

I would be interested in why you think someone should be grateful for a job and what that then means about standing up for their employment rights.

Doodledog Fri 17-Jun-22 13:22:51

Why should people be grateful to have a job?

Once upon a time, people could grow their own food, or forage and hunt for it on the land that belonged to all of us. When those who were basically gang leaders took bits of land for themselves, that was broken down, and people were forced to work and fight for them, wear their colours and fly their flags.

Then came enclosures, so all common land became owned by someone, and those foraging or trapping became poachers and were hanged or transported.

All that was left was for people to work for others, or sell their skills as artisans, and that persists today. Some people are able to command higher salaries than others, because of the scarcity of their skills and the necessity of their services. Traditionally, these people have been 'professionals' (basically a form of closed shop) and have enjoyed high status, with people supporting the fact that their earnings are above average. We are realising that transport workers are necessary too. If others join them, maybe those who have assumed that good pay and conditions were theirs by right will realise that others have that right too?

I repeat though - why should people be grateful to have a job?

Beautful Fri 17-Jun-22 13:21:19

Volver & others ... I stick by what I say ... also ones calling the
strike will get paid

TwiceAsNice Fri 17-Jun-22 13:05:59

Sometimes not pain times sorry

TwiceAsNice Fri 17-Jun-22 13:05:37

Sorry don’t support this strike. Many people will suffer and our economy will go further down the pan. Union bosses have huge salaries and Palme times their attitude is more bullying than supportive . I don’t think this has been thought through at all.

MaizieD Fri 17-Jun-22 12:58:11

How will the army of minimum-wage Carers get out and about to their 15-minute assignments with the most vulnerable?

When I worked in a hospital in the 1970s during a transport strike the hospital management arranged for alternative transport to bring in essential staff.

The care providers could forgo a bit of their profits and do the same...

Isn't it odd. When the UK PM goes on holiday for the zillionth time in a year nobody actually misses him; the country functions just fine without him. And no-one seems to mind him being paid a 6 figure salary, plus free board and lodging, for the privilege.

But when essential workers go on strike, usually forgoing pay for the days when they are striking, for better terms and conditions of employment people aren't quite so tolerant...

Yet which one is more important to our daily lives and the smooth running of services?

Kandinsky Fri 17-Jun-22 12:52:59

No problem at all volver - I’m in 100% agreement with you on this.

MaizieD Fri 17-Jun-22 12:48:06

volver

I'd be interested in what people would say about this. Sorry Kandinsky, I'm not trying to sabotage the thread but I think this is linked to the right to have unions and to strike.

I was never grateful for having a job. I was happy I was working, but I wasn't grateful. Everyone who wants one deserves a job.

You could turn it on its head and say that the company owners should be grateful that people will work for them. They'd be a bit lost without a workforce... (which is the whole point of withdrawing labour in a strike)

nanna8 Fri 17-Jun-22 12:44:57

Workers hurting other workers. Just what the government wants. It’s called divide and conquer.

Franbern Fri 17-Jun-22 12:44:35

The Trades Unions have my full support. Just thank everything going of the wonderful work they have done over the years.

Strikes are NOT caused by Trades Unions - but by employers. With current rate of inflation around 7 - 8% anything less than that as a wage increase means an actual wage cut.

volver Fri 17-Jun-22 12:35:48

I'd be interested in what people would say about this. Sorry Kandinsky, I'm not trying to sabotage the thread but I think this is linked to the right to have unions and to strike.

I was never grateful for having a job. I was happy I was working, but I wasn't grateful. Everyone who wants one deserves a job.

RichmondPark Fri 17-Jun-22 12:01:06

People are generally grateful to have a job, but that doesn't mean they should be treated unfairly, underpaid or work in unsafe conditions.

Two young men died recently in a tanker due to the appalling health and safety standards at their company. Deputations of staff had asked for better standards but nothing was done.

Unions improve standards for the working person.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-61824263

volver Fri 17-Jun-22 11:02:39

Beautful

Easybee ... I agree ... people have to grateful they have a job ... certain professions not allowed to strike ...

People have to be grateful they have a job?

Are you serious? People shouldn't be grateful they have a job. People shouldn't be grateful that they have a way of supporting themselves and their families. Who should they be grateful to?

Anniebach Fri 17-Jun-22 10:59:16

General strike ? I have records of the 1926 general strike, in journals by my g grandfather. The miners stayed on strike for several months, returned to work for less pay and longer working hours, not all were taken back to work,

So a general strike now, more food banks, soup kitchens

MaizieD Fri 17-Jun-22 10:54:35

Rosalyn69

I support from me either. Times are are for so many people. I don’t think going on strike us the answer.

One of the reasons that times are so hard for many people is that Thatcher worked hard to curtail the power of the unions.

As others have noted. It was the unions who have brought about improvements in pay and conditions. Without them working people have no voice. They have nothing to bargain with apart from their labour.

Beautful Fri 17-Jun-22 10:54:13

Easybee ... I agree ... people have to grateful they have a job ... certain professions not allowed to strike ...

Rosalyn69 Fri 17-Jun-22 10:47:38

I support from me either. Times are are for so many people. I don’t think going on strike us the answer.

eazybee Fri 17-Jun-22 09:44:21

Absolutely no support from me.

dogsmother Fri 17-Jun-22 09:43:28

Unions are essential. Strikes can never be taken lightly, any disruption is considered.

nadateturbe Fri 17-Jun-22 09:38:38

MacCavity2

Full support from me. Can see a general strike on the horizon.

One can only hope!

Glorianny Fri 17-Jun-22 09:37:33

Full support from me. I just wish Labour politicians wold stop sitting on the fence and support the right of the strikers to withdraw their labour. Shilly-shallying around saying "I understand but...." isn't doing any good at all

MacCavity2 Fri 17-Jun-22 09:31:35

Full support from me. Can see a general strike on the horizon.