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Prince Charles has jeopardised his reign. amoneyccepting

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lemsip Sun 26-Jun-22 12:25:09

Further controversy is the last thing the Royal Family needs right now. But, once again, the Prince of Wales’s willingness to accept large sums of money from controversial foreign businessmen and politicians has plunged the heir to the throne into murky waters
Bags stuffed with money like a scene from Only Fools and
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10953305/TOM-BOWER-Prince-Charles-jeopardised-reign-Del-Boy-esque-bags-stuffed-money.html

Grany Tue 28-Jun-22 10:57:04

Prince Charles received bags of cash from a dubious source, which raises lots of serious questions about his judgement, integrity and whether he was expected to lobby on behalf of the donor.

Sheikh Hamad gave more than £2m in cash to Prince Charles. Hamad is a senior member of the Qatari royal family and a former prime minister. He has a dreadful record on human rights and faces serious accusations against him personally and the Qatari regime. He also has huge commercial, financial and personal interests in the UK.

Usually Charles is accompanied by a civil servant when meeting foreign dignitaries. This time he met privately, while being handed bags of cash.

Prince Charles has direct access to government ministers and all cabinet papers, as well as complete secrecy over what he says to who and on what issues he lobbies government. So the obvious question is, what was Hamad expecting in return for this favour, and did he get it?

It is unacceptable and worrying that the institution of Britain's head of state continues to be embroiled in scandal and yet MPs keep looking the other way.

volver Tue 28-Jun-22 11:13:18

DaisyAnne

So to summarise the consensus of some on this thread.

It seems that Prince Charles:

1) should ignore the fact that so far still legal to use currency in this country.

2) should ignore the fact that Muslims have a very different view of banking based on their religion and that 90% of transactions are still done in cash in Saudi Arabia, although this is slowly changing.

3) should ignore the fact that the UK and Saudi Arabia have a strategic relationship and it is part of his job to forster this.

4) should insult those offering a gift to his charity and tell them to take their money away and bring him a cheque or a bank transfer.

No, you've got that wrong DaisyAnne. Let me help.

Prince Charles

1) should appreciate that donations of millions of pounds to charity are not customarily accepted in carrier bags full of untraceable notes

2) should ask himself if this Qatari was so opposed to using the banking systems of this country that he would have paid for the construction of the Shard in cash. (he part-owns the Shard and Harrods, amongst other things.)

3) should appreciate the fostering relations with other countries doesn't mean disregarding the laws and mores of the land where he is going to be HoS.

4) have developed enough people skills in his 70-odd years to be able to explain to a foreign donor that they are putting him in an unacceptable situation and that they need to be subject to the same rules as the rest of us in the UK.

There, fixed it for you.

and 5) He should not think that a Qatari politician would be mortally offended by being asked to behave in a way that everybody else is expected to in this country, because he's not an extra from Laurence of Arabia but a 21st century businessman.

volver Tue 28-Jun-22 11:14:55

Oh, just noticed.

Is Saudi Arabia the same as Qatar DaisyAnne? I think not.

Grany Tue 28-Jun-22 12:16:29

I love this. It sounds even more dodgy in French: "Trois versements en liquide".

Another day in the sordid and overdue collapse of the British imperialist state.

Libération
@libe

? Le @thesundaytimes révèle que le prince Charles a accepté trois versements en liquide de la part du cheikh #qatari Hamad ben Jassem al-Thani

? Si l’argent a servi à des œuvres caritatives, il jette le trouble sur l’indépendance du prince. liberation.fr/international/europe/trois-millions-deuros-en-cash-le-prince-charles-touche-le-fonds-qatari-20220626_EQGDESH62NHRJDZSYTGY26DWN4/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&xtor=CS7-51-#Echobox=1656251476-1…

Joseanne Tue 28-Jun-22 12:27:41

Nothing dodgy about the word "liquide" in French, Grany. It is a banking term used every day and just means cash.
Liquids flow, cash that's available to re-purpose flows.

Callistemon21 Tue 28-Jun-22 12:30:36

L'argent en liquide

Joseanne Tue 28-Jun-22 12:31:23

Oui

Joseanne Tue 28-Jun-22 12:32:10

fric is a good one!

Grany Tue 28-Jun-22 12:42:10

Joseanne

Nothing dodgy about the word "liquide" in French, Grany. It is a banking term used every day and just means cash.
Liquids flow, cash that's available to re-purpose flows.

Yes I know not saying cash is dodgy excepting it

Grany Tue 28-Jun-22 12:51:09

Accepting it is

Caleo Tue 28-Jun-22 12:53:11

If this really happened what is wrong is the implication the Prince has a cosy social relationship with possibly undesirable foreign politician. Only people who have a certain sort of relationship gets a present in a Tesco bag or similar.

Donations with political strings attached is a separate problem. What was the Sheikh's agenda and did PC not query what the Sheikh's intention was? Why are you giving me a present it's not my birthday.

Anniebach Tue 28-Jun-22 13:00:16

A present ? is a donation to a charity a present ?

Caleo Tue 28-Jun-22 13:02:08

Yes, a donation to a charity is sometimes a gift.

volver Tue 28-Jun-22 13:02:34

All we know is that the money the sheikh gave him was given to charity. We don't know who the sheikh intended it to go to.

Blossoming Tue 28-Jun-22 13:29:40

Blimey, even Dan Wootton is going off him!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10957677/DAN-WOOTTON-Im-beginning-doubt-Prince-Charles-capacity-King.html

Caleo Tue 28-Jun-22 13:29:44

Volver, we don't know the Sheikh's intentions. Me, I have a very very gullible personality and if a sheikh handed me a present for my chosen charity even I would question his intentions. All the more so since I have no favours sexual or political with which to reciprocate. PC on the other hand can exert quite a lot of influence. PC is not a pretty girl so his reciprocity would be political .

Parsley3 Tue 28-Jun-22 15:34:57

Well Dan Wootton doesn’t miss and hit the wall in his criticism of our future Head Of State. Interesting times ahead.

maddyone Tue 28-Jun-22 17:57:57

Dan Wootton has made some good points. I doubt Prince Charles will ever command the respect that has been given to his mother.

Blossoming Tue 28-Jun-22 22:35:10

I don’t think this article has already been shared. People need to know this.

Revealed: how Prince Charles pressured ministers to change law to benefit his estate

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/28/prince-charles-pressured-ministers-change-law-queen-consent?fbclid=IwAR1__OgmTfLC5c2lHRmtEhih-_mEN8l5ziKbA_9M3kMOGJyiCLsC8rL6dwI&fs=e&s=cl

Grany Wed 29-Jun-22 11:55:48

Yes it's shameful the way he runs the Duchy not allowing people to buy their houses or land. He lobbied ministers no other landlord gets away with this treating their tennents this way and allowed to get away with it.

There is a film

The Man Who Shoukdnt Be King

People talking about the same thing and that Charles is all Take gives nothing back.

Time to get rid of the monarchy

Heathermomo Wed 29-Jun-22 12:06:12

I find it hard to believe that Prince Charles actually humphed a suitcase full of cash. Don't they have people to do that kind of thing?
I find it easy to believe our Prime Minister leaked the information to deflect from his by election results and as revenge for the Rwanda comments.

Anniebach Wed 29-Jun-22 12:56:58

No coincidence it was made news after 11 years

Grany Wed 29-Jun-22 13:05:03

Charles will be coming to the throne with a lot of baggage

Parsley3 Wed 29-Jun-22 13:18:19

He is indeed coming to the throne with baggage. People have already taken sides as we know far more about his personal life than we ever will about the Queen’s. Still, like it or lump it he will be King. It was easy to “love” a bland personality like the Queen who did nothing publicly that approached controversy but Charles has previous. It will be difficult to invent a fairytale monarchy around him.

Farzanah Wed 29-Jun-22 13:38:12

The problem with the RF is there is no transparency particularly with their financial affairs, so us “loyal subjects” don’t have a clue, unless for the odd leak.
There are lots of assumptions about the Queen, who in fact most of us know little, but seem to form very firm opinions, mainly from the press. I suspect we may feel quite differently about the monarchy if we knew the reality.