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Heard the news? He has refused to go.

(65 Posts)
M0nica Wed 06-Jul-22 20:30:35

What more can I say. I just hope anyone offered a post in his reshuffled Cabinet turns it down.

Devorgilla Wed 06-Jul-22 21:51:31

I'm beginning to think only the Queen can get him out. Some commentators were saying all three requirements to implement that have been met. Go on Dizzie Miss Lizzie, go for the spectacular end to your reign.

Callistemon21 Wed 06-Jul-22 21:56:26

I don't think even HM can - he thinks he's King of the World.

He is deluded.

M0nica Wed 06-Jul-22 21:58:31

But can he afford to run them without the PM's salary. In fact, your link suggests that the move was for financial reasons. Nobody wanted to rent his flat and he could not afford his mortgage and the rent on the flat at No 10.

He is going to be another Tory ex PM like David Cameron, who has had very few well paid offered him since resigning. This is why Cameron got involved with that dodgy Australian fnancier. It was the only offer he received.

On the other hand Gerge Osborne has been much in demand, as has Blair, despite Iraq and have both made large fortunes. Gordon Brown could have done equally well, but he chose not to, deveouting hmself to charity and international social affairs

Jaxjacky Wed 06-Jul-22 22:06:01

Hé needs sectioning.

RichmondPark Wed 06-Jul-22 22:06:54

Riverwalk

I hope he's not trying/hoping for a popular backlash... a sort of man of the red wall people being driven out by the metropolitan elite.

A Trumpian tactic.

Nadine Dorries is already peddling this lame schtick on Twitter. Posted at 9.28pm.

"The PM’s priority is to stabilise the government, set a clear direction for the country and continue to deliver on the promises he made and the British public voted for."

Casdon Wed 06-Jul-22 22:09:07

Hmm, can’t say I’m sympathetic Monica. I expect he’ll be popular on the Republican dinner circuit in the USA, and will no doubt write more books, including a memoir which will sell well.

Grany Wed 06-Jul-22 22:13:57

Devorgilla

I'm beginning to think only the Queen can get him out. Some commentators were saying all three requirements to implement that have been met. Go on Dizzie Miss Lizzie, go for the spectacular end to your reign.

People who now trivialise the monarchy, or think somehow the monarchy is one of the strengths of our constitution, or who think the Queen might now have a role to play, you are clearly not understanding the problem here. The point of a head of state is to guard the constitution and ensure the rules are followed.

One of those rules is that the PM has the confidence of the Commons, which Johnson no longer has. An effective and accountable, elected head of state could make it very clear what the rules are and insist Johnson demonstrates he has that confidence.

A head of state could insist that if he can't demonstrate that, he either resigns or is sacked. A head of state could also reassure the country about how the constitution works and that there won't be a PM who cannot be dislodged. A head of state who is elected could also make it clear an election will not be granted for the purposes of avoiding these issues or saving the PM's career.

They could also insist on an election if there is a change of government, if that is clearly in the national interest. And whatever the head of state does if elected they can be accountable. We are often told that the monarch acts as a check on the powers of the PM, as a guardian of our constitution, but the reality is that in a serious crisis the monarch is silent.

The monarch has forfeited its role, handed all its powers to the PM and given up any independence. Far from being non-partisan, the monarch is in the pocket of the PM. And it's impossible now for the Queen to do much else, for the huge crisis action or inaction would cause.

We are told instead that there are conventions based on a letter written more than 70 years ago, that the Queen's powers will be exercised by anonymous advisers and that the likely outcome will always be that she will do as she's told. No independence, no speeches and no reassurances.

The monarchy is absolutely central to the problem, because it has helped centralise so much power in Number 10 that in a crisis like this even a vote of no confidence is no longer a guarantee of a resolution.

If you think monarchy isn't part of the problem, you haven't understood the problem. A lot now hangs on the judgement, integrity and good sense of Boris Johnson, because there are precious few mechanisms for an easy or clean resolution and we have no effective head of state.

Casdon Wed 06-Jul-22 22:24:15

Here’s a more accurate summary of the Queen’s constitutional rights.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/07/could-the-queen-sack-boris-johnson-the-experts-are-divided

BlueBelle Wed 06-Jul-22 22:26:11

And still there are people ringing in to the radio to say he’s a good fella and being given a bad ride
Holds head in hands in despair

Chewbacca Wed 06-Jul-22 22:37:04

Cummings must be enjoying every second of watching this.

Chewbacca Wed 06-Jul-22 22:43:56

Secretary of State for Wales Simon Hart has resigned from Boris Johnson's government

They're going down like skittles.

Copperjug Wed 06-Jul-22 22:52:24

Gove playing the long game.

Zonne Wed 06-Jul-22 22:53:47

Is he still writing replies to all the resignation letters? He’ll have writer’s cramp just doing his signature.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jul-22 02:50:07

It won’t be long before Johnson will be rallying his troops to march on parliament.

He sees it as an issue of the country v. Parliament.

vegansrock Thu 07-Jul-22 04:08:42

He’ll get a job writing a column for the Telegraph and will do after dinner speeches, maybe Strictly or I’m a Celebrity to pull in some extra dosh. He won’t be hard up.

FannyCornforth Thu 07-Jul-22 06:02:53

I don’t agree vegansrock
I don’t think even The Telegraph will touch him with a barge pole.
His legacy will be appalling.

I’m with Jaxjacky, I think that he’s seriously mentally ill.

FannyCornforth Thu 07-Jul-22 06:06:24

Peter Brookes today

Joseanne Thu 07-Jul-22 06:24:50

What I don't get is how all the worms suddenly turn ? ? ?. In the case of our MP, we as constituents have received a letter from him extolling Boris' virtues yet in the same breath saying he must go because he is a man of no scruples. Surely that was evident from the start?
And it's not just about one person. The entire Tory party willingly went along with this very predictable disaster. Why did it come as such a surprise to them, are they all thick? They appear to have no concept of cause and effect.

M0nica Thu 07-Jul-22 07:02:15

I agree with Fanny Cornforth. I think he is so personally discredited, he is a tainted brand, no one will want to know him. he will have to go back to being a jobbing journalist without a byline.

The US has Trump, no one will want to platform our pound shop Trump. Anyway, after the Congressional hearings, people are steering clear of Trump as well.

joseanne, You are lucky, our MP is still licking Boris's a**e.

MaizieD Thu 07-Jul-22 07:12:03

It's what the tory party does, Joseanne. Being of a somewhat leftish disposition, and not reading any of the right wing media, I can tell you that this phenomenon of worm turning is a well known characteristic of the tory party. Centrist and left wing commentators have been predicting it for months. Look at what the tories did to St Margaret Thatcher of Blessed Memory ? They're brutal.

The show of solidarity is for the benefit of the British public who the tories think are unable to exercise any critical thought.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 07-Jul-22 07:22:22

How apt…

FannyCornforth Thu 07-Jul-22 07:33:08

Well spotted GG
Whereas Johnson will have to scrape from beneath his bitten nails, the black gloss paint of the No 10 door.

Casdon Thu 07-Jul-22 07:34:54

Very apt GrannyGravy13. I remember Brown’s departure clearly, this article summed it up much better than Johnson. I suspect he won’t have the same after office profile and respect himself in 10 years time.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/sarah-sands/sarah-sands-to-depart-with-dignity-is-all-you-can-want-in-life-or-death-1974512.html

Oldnproud Thu 07-Jul-22 08:06:57

I think I heard a political commentator say yesterday that the 'men in grey suits' would be trying to persuade Johnson that it was time to step down.

Personally, I think that 'the men in white coats' are needed.

FannyCornforth Thu 07-Jul-22 08:24:19

Oldnproud you may say that; I couldn’t possibly comment wink