Tory party members; choosing your next party leader and everyone's next PM, what, who, why?

I see I have used a wrong spelling for Penny's name.

Saetana

According to the most recent poll on Conservative Home (only party members can vote in these polls) Mordaunt is out in front but only barely with Badenoch coming a very close second. Sunak comes a very distant third - I do not want him as our party leader under any circumstances, if it wasn't okay for Boris to get a fixed penalty notice then it isn't okay for him either. Kemi Badenoch would be my choice - I've seen her at the dispatch box, she is impressive and skewers whichever unfortunate Labour front bencher she is up against. She believes in tax cuts, but not uncosted ones, and a smaller state - we have 90,000 more civil servants since covid, getting rid of those would be a good start as would efficiency savings in government. People always seem to assume that small state means less money for the NHS - not true. The equalities report was made by a panel comprised of experts from ethnic minority backgrounds and concluded there was no serious problem with institutional racism. It did NOT say there was no problem with racism at all. Naturally it was criticised by the left who prefer our BAME population to be victims who need their support. They cannot cope with someone like Kemi who flies in the face of their cherished beliefs. Kemi for PM!

Saetana yes I agree with what you say.
Black women have to appear to be victims by some, if they are low paid and struggling then they will be loved.If not, then there is often hostility.I have seen this at first hand.
Now I have listened to Kemi then I think her a good choice.
I have to say that I think she has no chance though.Neither political parties will elect a black woman, never have, and the Labour Party has never elected any woman.I hope this will change in years to come and the best candidate chosen regardless of colour.
Now, I think Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss or Penny Mordent will become the next Leader/PM and my choice therefore would be Penny Mordent.It is quite exciting really.

People seem to praise BJ for getting us through covid. Our amazing scientists put us in the forefront of race to develop vaccine. The our NHS rolled out the vaccine. The government implemented rules to stop the pread of covid - and then broke the rules. Could someone explain how BJ did a good job!!!

TiggyW

I can understand the Tory members being able to elect a new party leader, but I think that the whole country should have a say in the choice of Prime Minister.

They do, it’s called a general election.

Just to say again....

The Party in power get to decide who is going to be Prime Minister. The only people in the country who get to vote for the Prime Minister at the members of the party in power.

It would be nice if people remember that next time we have a general election. We each get to vote for our local MP and the party with most MPs wins, and decides who gets to be Prime Minister. This is the way it words in the UK. This is the way it has always worked in the UK for hundreds of years. We elect parties to power, not individuals.

I can understand the Tory members being able to elect a new party leader, but I think that the whole country should have a say in the choice of Prime Minister.

Penny Mordaunt looks and sounds a refreshing change. I can’t vote so I can only hope that Liz Truss isn’t one of the top two. Pritty Patel isn’t standing thank goodness. Not happy with Rishi Sunak since he announced he wants to emulate Margaret Thatcher. Would have liked Sajid Javid but he has stepped aside to l allow Sunak a
clear run. Jeremy Hunt would be acceptable as more of a centrist. Whoever is elected will have to do a decent job or the Tories will be out on their ears.

With all our public services on the very verge of collapse any talk of tax reductions is totally irresponsible. The only exception I would make would be to the financially worst off.

knspol

Not eligible to vote and haven't even heard of a couple of contenders. Don't care re male or female or about ethnicity so long as honest, intelligent ,with a desire to help all members of the community have a better life, to improve the country's standing worldwide after Boris and to be in politics for the people and not his/her self. Somebody with integrity!

That is no one then

Not eligible to vote and haven't even heard of a couple of contenders. Don't care re male or female or about ethnicity so long as honest, intelligent ,with a desire to help all members of the community have a better life, to improve the country's standing worldwide after Boris and to be in politics for the people and not his/her self. Somebody with integrity!

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

Braverman going to cut welfare.

Just watched it. Words fail me ( well, repeatable words that is….). Could she possibly be even nastier than Patel?

I wouldn’t be surprised.

Cut welfare to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. That doesn’t bode well for a stable country.

Whitewavemark2

Braverman going to cut welfare.

Just watched it. Words fail me ( well, repeatable words that is….). Could she possibly be even nastier than Patel?

Braverman going to cut welfare.

DD is utterly opposed to Jeremy Hunt because a close friend worked for the company he established and described it as the job from hell. The atmosphere was dreadful, the pressure nasty and people left almost as fast as they joined.

If that is a guide to his managment style then he is not suitable to be PM.

MayBee70

I think I’m going to apply the ‘ would you buy a used car from this person’ system. Which probably leads to Mordor and Tugendhat.

Mordor. Quite appropriate.

Mordaunt is a small state Tory who thinks she is the next Margaret Thatcher and told lies on camera about the accession of Turkey to the EU so as to get the Brexit she wanted.

Not one of them is fit to be PM, maybe Tugendhat but I'm sure that there is something waiting to come to the fore about him.

Nothing's going to get any better, maybe it will get worse, but at least we won't have a man-child as PM who thinks calling the opposition leader names is an acceptable way to behave at PMQs.

PS. The country has had to employ extra civil servants to deal with Brexit.

I think I’m going to apply the ‘ would you buy a used car from this person’ system. Which probably leads to Mordor and Tugendhat.

I've seen Badenoch twice at election hustings in the flesh, when she's had to answer questions without a script. She was tongue-tied on both occasions and makes stuff up when she's on to a loser.

PS. I'd like to see Tugendhat as Foreign Secretary.

Anniel

I will probably vote for Penny Mordaunt. She speaks plainly and I like her style. I do not intend to let the usual suspects get into an argument with me so I will say no more.

I wouldn't argue with you about Mordaunt Annie. I won't get a vote, so it's not up to me, but I think she's the best out of a lacklustre bunch. Thankfully, Braverman will probably be eliminated, but Badenoch and Braverman are seemingly joined at the hip as far as their ideology is concerned, so I suspect Braverman votes will be transferred to Badenoch :-(.

I’m another who is extremely wary of Kemi Badenoch. I’m wary of anyone who declares no racism to see here. She’s extremely right wing, has made no reference to the nhs. Small state and tax cuts are the last thing this country needs.
Zahawi says he’ll give Johnson a cabinet post. What ? nothing about Zahawi suggests to me he’s trustworthy.
I dislike and distrust Truss, and remember Hunt from when Health was his responsibility. So I’m unhappy with the candidates whatever their ethnicity or skin colour Prentice

I’m another hoping for Tom Tugendhat. I’m interested in Penny Mordant as a possibility

According to the most recent poll on Conservative Home (only party members can vote in these polls) Mordaunt is out in front but only barely with Badenoch coming a very close second. Sunak comes a very distant third - I do not want him as our party leader under any circumstances, if it wasn't okay for Boris to get a fixed penalty notice then it isn't okay for him either. Kemi Badenoch would be my choice - I've seen her at the dispatch box, she is impressive and skewers whichever unfortunate Labour front bencher she is up against. She believes in tax cuts, but not uncosted ones, and a smaller state - we have 90,000 more civil servants since covid, getting rid of those would be a good start as would efficiency savings in government. People always seem to assume that small state means less money for the NHS - not true. The equalities report was made by a panel comprised of experts from ethnic minority backgrounds and concluded there was no serious problem with institutional racism. It did NOT say there was no problem with racism at all. Naturally it was criticised by the left who prefer our BAME population to be victims who need their support. They cannot cope with someone like Kemi who flies in the face of their cherished beliefs. Kemi for PM!

Quite right Pammie! It's hardly surprising that some of her constituents have told her they don't need the winter fuel payment. Saffron Walden is one of the richest constituencies in the country. What Badenoch forgets is that there are pockets of real deprivation. Over 1000 children in the constituency were provided with free school meals last summer, but she forgets about them. She's hardly likely to know because she hardly ever comes here. The constituency is a stepping stone for Brand Badenoch.

Prentice

growstuff you sound very aggressive towards Kemi Badenoch and to posters on here, as a black older woman I should be used to it, well, I am used to it actually.My amazement is not faux.
Again I wonder why you are singling Kemi out, and again I say I am not promoting her just pleased to see so many ethnic origin MP’s running for the top job in politics.You obviously are not pleased and seem to have a very big problem with this.

I listened today to various talks on the candidates and found that Javid and Zahawa are interesting and capable politicians, and will listen to other candidates today.I have no vote on the outcome.

I think growstuff is one of Badenoch’s constituents, so probably is in a position to give an experience based opinion. I’m not keen on Badenoch because she’s an advocate of small state and we all know what that means. She’s also using the fact that some of her constituents have reportedly told her they don’t need the winter fuel payment as a reason to means test it. Means testing doesn’t work, and I am automatically wary of any politician who advocates for more of it.