Tory party members; choosing your next party leader and everyone's next PM, what, who, why?

growstuff I see how you feel but you must remember all others are not the same as you nor hold the same political views as you.
Some may consider her a good MP, and not hold her privileged background against her.We cannot hold anybody's background against them, rich or poor.
I suspect she will not do very well in this contest anyway.
It seems that Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss are the most popular.

Prentice

growstuff you sound very aggressive towards Kemi Badenoch and to posters on here, as a black older woman I should be used to it, well, I am used to it actually.My amazement is not faux.
Again I wonder why you are singling Kemi out, and again I say I am not promoting her just pleased to see so many ethnic origin MP’s running for the top job in politics.You obviously are not pleased and seem to have a very big problem with this.

I listened today to various talks on the candidates and found that Javid and Zahawa are interesting and capable politicians, and will listen to other candidates today.I have no vote on the outcome.

I am pleased to see any diversity in the people of people wanting to be PM. I have an issue with Badenoch because I know more about her than I do most MPs. To me, her ethnic background is irrelevant. She comes from a privileged background and most certainly doesn't intend to support race issues. My views of her are the same as they would be for anybody who's a useless MP, has hard right political views and lies about her background.

Zonne you declare that last sentence as though it is a fact.It is not.
We do not know what policies will come forth and having listened to Javid yesterday I think he will not be pulling up the ladder, and we cannot say what any of the others would do.
I guess that if posters are against all Conservative MP’s then that is their attitude set in stone.What a pity.
There are good MP’s in all political parties.I admire people who work hard for their constituencies from all the parties.
We need to keep hearts and minds open .

Prentice

growstuff you sound very aggressive towards Kemi Badenoch and to posters on here, as a black older woman I should be used to it, well, I am used to it actually.My amazement is not faux.
Again I wonder why you are singling Kemi out, and again I say I am not promoting her just pleased to see so many ethnic origin MP’s running for the top job in politics.You obviously are not pleased and seem to have a very big problem with this.

I listened today to various talks on the candidates and found that Javid and Zahawa are interesting and capable politicians, and will listen to other candidates today.I have no vote on the outcome.

For the simple reason, she's my MP. I was talking to a Tory activist the day after she was selected. I've been to two pre-election hustings, so have heard her speak in the flesh with no script and I've had occasion to write to her twice. That's all.

As soon as she was selected, it was obvious that she was a careerist and not entirely honest about her background. She lied about making her base in the constituency and she is hardly ever seen apart from a couple of photo ops every few months. She's an ideological right-winger, who has no time at all for other people of non-white ethnic backgrounds. I know a number of people who have written to her about the refugee crisis and her answers (presumably written from a template by one of her assistants) have always been dismissive. As Equalities Minister, she was responsible for the report which claimed that there is no institutional racism in the UK.

I think it’s obvious that it’s harder for people from ethnic minority backgrounds to succeed in many areas of life in the UK (as it is, in varying degrees, for people with disabilities, women, poor people et al).

But it is equally obvious that none of the candidates, whatever their ethnicity, are willing to tackle the continuing systemic issues which underpin inequality in this country.

Should any of the ethnic minority candidates win, s/he is just going to pull the ladder up behind them. It’s not unexpected, but it’s despicable.

growstuff you sound very aggressive towards Kemi Badenoch and to posters on here, as a black older woman I should be used to it, well, I am used to it actually.My amazement is not faux.
Again I wonder why you are singling Kemi out, and again I say I am not promoting her just pleased to see so many ethnic origin MP’s running for the top job in politics.You obviously are not pleased and seem to have a very big problem with this.

I listened today to various talks on the candidates and found that Javid and Zahawa are interesting and capable politicians, and will listen to other candidates today.I have no vote on the outcome.

I am not a Conservative party member but have always voted Conservative I would back Nadhim Zahawi straight talking has experience of starting from nothing. I suspect he won’t suffer fools gladly and may well be the man to get the country back on its feet again

I’m not a conservative part member ?

I hope the tories choose the best/least worst candidate. Most of them are dreadful. Many are discredited because they went out, as instructed and lied for Johnson.
Penny Mordant is interesting and I like what I’ve seen of Tom Tugendhat. Both of them have served this country so dare we hope there’s a commitment to public service.

I am, generally, a Tory voter but not a member of the party.

Currently I would vote for Sajid Javid or Tom Tugendhat. That could change.

I would hate it to be Rishi for reasons others have stated.

Another poll. Guessology to some extent. I’m not sure small group samples are indicative and do people, if questioned really tell the truth? Wonder what the bookmaker’s odds are?

I haven’t got a vote since I’m not a member of the Conservative party, nor any other political party for that matter, but I’m disillusioned with them all. I particularly don’t want Rishi Sunak though because of his wife’s tax evasion, therefore although it wasn’t illegal, I regard it as dishonest to tax other highly, whilst avoiding paying the full rate for his family.

Prentice

Am amazed at your reaction growstuff do you get away with saying some things because of your colour? I know that I don’t.
I have not promoted Kemi Badenoke on this thread and honestly do not know if she would make a good PM, from what I have heard so far about the candidates she is not ahead
Of any of the others.All I will say is that there are many other ethnic candidates and I wish them well.They will all have had a more difficult time getting ahead in politics.May the best man, or woman win the contest.

Why are you amazed? Kemi Badenoch is my MP and I've followed what she says. She denies racism exists, so cut the "faux" amazement!

Badenoch has not had a more difficult time "getting ahead" and despises anybody who claims they have. She comes from a privileged background, which has given her advantages. It is because she doesn't recognise race barriers in her own experience that she denies they exist for anyone. I look beyond the "successful black woman" rhetoric.

Maybe other Tory supporters are irritated by your constant determination to make everything in politics about Brexit Urm? That shop has sunk sailed and there are other important factors such as how the candidates propose to deal with the looming cost of living crisis, Ukraine war, the Good Friday Agreement to name a few. Not everyone sees Remainer conspiracies around every corner. Time to move on

LauraNorderr

As a fully paid up member of the Conservative Party I will have a vote between the final two. Looking at the candidates thus far I will struggle.
I will study them all and hopefully find one with some new ideas to make the necessary changes to take us forward in this very different world.
Integrity, compassion, a good grip of finance and economy, an optimistic but realistic outlook so that we can feel confident in our future. A statesman to earn respect on the world stage. A believer in aspiration and the know-how to create opportunity. Someone strong enough to take tough decisions and not court popularity but with the ability to take good advice and the wisdom to recognise good advice.
That’s it for now. Hoping for a miracle obvs.

The qualities that you are hoping for are all good. However, I think that although many of the candidates are talking the talk, they are saying one thing and thinking another. Many of them are on the extreme right of the party and in favour of a small state. They will not be stating that for any potential voters to hear.

It should not be forgotten that since the Tories came to power, long before covid and Brexit had any effect upon the economy, the country has been in a state of austerity, Also, it should not be forgotten that Johnson did not act alone in doling out contracts to his friends.

Back to the OP’s post, I’m surprised how few Tory members there have been, putting forward an opinion. Anybody out there?

For Remainers, it is. ?
Those of us who want to crack on with Brexit, it IS important.
Closet Remainers will never try as hard, sadly, in negotiations.
A soft Brexit suits them well.
It’s understandable.

Candidates aren’t making a point of their remainder or brexiteer status, it’s being dug up as background information. This harping on it is beside the main point.

I took ‘oven ready’ as ‘good to go’. By its very definition it wasn’t ‘cooked’.
Since then with all those in the HoC trying their best (Soubry was one and eventually her constituents booted her out as that constituency was a 70% Leave area) to thwart the progress of Brexit via ‘indicative votes’ - remember those? - Boris was our saviour.
Well, if you voted Leave.

Urmstongran

I’m truly not rehashing the Brexit vote per se but some who voted Remain have also termed themselves ‘Rejoiners’. Hard negotiating needs to be done yet with Brussels (and Dublin). And the civil servants have an agenda over it. It’s not been ‘done’ it’s still soft and undercooked. We need someone to continue getting this over the line, which is the only reason I mentioned Tugendhat/Soubry.

But Johnson won an election by saying his deal was oven ready? What did I misinterpret about ‘ oven ready’? Anna really isn’t as shallow as to base her opinion on leave or remain. And she warned people about Johnson’s character flaws for years and that wasn’t purely down to the referendum.

Am amazed at your reaction growstuff do you get away with saying some things because of your colour? I know that I don’t.
I have not promoted Kemi Badenoke on this thread and honestly do not know if she would make a good PM, from what I have heard so far about the candidates she is not ahead
Of any of the others.All I will say is that there are many other ethnic candidates and I wish them well.They will all have had a more difficult time getting ahead in politics.May the best man, or woman win the contest.

Prentice

If you were black as I am growstuff you certainly would not have to ask that question.
Getting on in any sphere, politics included is still harder for those of us with ethnic backgrounds.
Am not complaining at all, just seeing things for what they are.

Prentice Look beyond the colour of Badenoch's skin! Look at her politics and ideology! When Minister for Equalities, she was the one who denied that racism in the UK exists. She actively despises people who claim that it does. She is no more representative of black people than I am, so I see no earthly reason why anybody should celebrate that she is putting herself forward to be PM. Despite what Kemi used to claim about her upbringing (before it became convenient to drop the back story), she's the private school educated daughter of middle-class academics and her late father was a prominent Yoruba leader in Nigeria. Her mother flew to London especially, so that Kemi could be born in the UK and have British nationality. She's the puppet of a quite nasty little clique and gets away with some of the things she says because she's black.

Lord Frost?

Lots of Tory skullduggery - makes great theatre!

President Zelensky is 'tiny' - does anyone look down on him?

I heard someone say: we can’t have a tiny leader. We can’t have someone that Macron could look down on ?