Tory party members; choosing your next party leader and everyone's next PM, what, who, why?

Listening to the Sky Paper Review and Henry Hill of Conservative Home said there is some concern among the relevant MPs that there will be no true right-winger going through to the last two. He suggests many machinations will follow today's result. Oh, and Penny Mordaunt is not seen as a true right-winger - but I'm not sure that's news to anyone.

I heard an interview with Suella Braverman in which she described herself as " the only true Brexiter amongst the candidates" and disparage others for not being Brexity enough.

The deluded woman seemed to think that being ultra brexity was some kind of achievement.

Are we perhaps seeing the first green shoots of awareness amongst Tory MPs that Brexit is an utter disaster?

Latest news: Suella Braverman is out of the contest as she got the least number of votes in today's ballot. All remaining candidates gained votes on yesterday other than Tom Tugendhat who lost a few - he is most likely to crash out in the Monday ballot. There are supposed to be some tv debates between the candidates over the weekend so everyone will be able to get to know them a little better. Conservative Home is holding a hustings via Zoom at 1pm tomorrow if anyone is interested - its free but you need to sign up today and can submit a question for the candidates. I hope that Suella's support will switch to Kemi - she is a far better representative for the centre right of the party than Liz Truss who I expect to be shown up in any live debates, she is not a good speaker.

We are pretty stuffed at the moment

In my opinion every single one of them is tainted by their support of Boris Johnson whilst Partygate, Wallpapergate, Pilchergate etc were going on. The fact they have suddenly found a bit of backbone cuts no ice with me. The Tory party has been in power too long and we need a complete change otherwise two more years of this lot and this country really is well and truly stuffed!!!!

The last possible date for the next election is actually 25th January 2025 MaggsMcG, much as I’d like it to be sooner.

Who ever they chose it's likely to be short lived. Labour are almost sure to try and force an early election from a vote of no confidence if they can find enough evidence. Even so it's less than two years to the next election May 2024. Two years in politics won't get much done. All Politicians lie, the power goes to their heads the higher up the ladder they get.

As well as treating voters with contempt I imagine.

Wonder how that's worked out for them.

I imagine many people pretended so as not to be embarrassed or to avoid being called stupid on social media.

I'm sure people are basing their decisions on knowledge and true assessment of the facts.

Ms Mordaunt was known by 20% of people and Mr Tugendhat by 15%, while Ms Badenoch and Ms Braverman were on just 14%.

However, 12% of people told Ipsos that they knew either a great deal or a fair amount about Stewart Lewis, a fake candidate created by the pollster.

Some 6% even said they knew “a great deal” about the non-existent Mr Lewis, more than the 5% who said the same thing about Ms Braverman, the Attorney General, and the same proportion as for Ms Badenoch and Mr Tugendhat.

From the Evening Standard. Makes you proud to be British, eh?

Thanks MOnica, this answers a question posed on another thread. Yes, we do have honest politicians

I picked up a BBC link this morning about Conservative MP Caroline Lewis resisting considerable pressure from Lord Agnew to give a plum post to a wealthy Conservative donor. The donor wanted a knighthood and people in this post usually got one after a number of years.

The noble lord described the donor as a friend and put considersable pressure on her. She refused to do so saying he was inappropriate for the post.

I have just been combing the BBC site to find the link but it seems to have disappeared.

Caroline Lewis is my nomination for PM. An honest and courageous woman among a sea of people of negotiable virtue.

I’m not a Tory party member but if I was I’d vote for Kemi.

But Rishi will be our next PM 100%

Rishi getting a grilling from Justin on Radio 4!

Am I imagining it but has he changed his voice - trying to be more man of the people?

Why is it such a difficult concept to understand that national debt is nothing like household debt?

It's because politicians, commentators and journalists all speak, write and act as though a national budget is just the same as a household budget. What chance do economists and elderly ladies on social media have to counter all that weighty influence?

Besides which, it gives the tory party an excellent excuse for slashing state spending on public services without any protest from the population.

But the Conservatives have only had two women PM’s. One of them was a force of nature and the other one just happened to be the safest option at the time. I think the women in the opposition parties are much stronger than their Tory counterparts. In fact I can’t think of a Conservative woman MP that I make a point of listening to when they speak in parliament. Something I do if Jess Phillips, Yvette Cooper, Emily Thornbury, most of the SNP women MP’s, the Welsh lady with the purple hair and Caroline Lucas stand up. I’m not aware of listening to Mordaunt speaking in the house so I obviously haven’t found her very inspiring. There’s no intention in the Labour Party to not have a woman leader. It just hasn’t worked out that way. Of course, I always listened to Anna Soubry but she’s gone thanks to Johnson.

Perhaps they only think women can go so far growstuff who knows. Its noticeable though and vaguely fascinating to me.

Dinahmo

Please stop talking about the debt that your children are going to have to pay off. Our parents paid for the debts incurred for WW1 and my generation - post WW2 have paid of the debts incurred by the latter war. Did they/we notice the payments? Most of us didn't.

If the country doesn't invest in the services, infrastructure and invest in new businesses, there won't bee much left for your children or grandchildren.

No, we didn't notice them because most of them were inflated away anyway. Why is it such a difficult concept to understand that national debt is nothing like household debt?

Urmstongran

Actually I think that because Labour haven’t yet done it (woman PM or person of colour) they’ll deny the optics.

But the Labour Party has a much higher overall percentage of female MPs.

Please stop talking about the debt that your children are going to have to pay off. Our parents paid for the debts incurred for WW1 and my generation - post WW2 have paid of the debts incurred by the latter war. Did they/we notice the payments? Most of us didn't.

If the country doesn't invest in the services, infrastructure and invest in new businesses, there won't bee much left for your children or grandchildren.

Actually I think that because Labour haven’t yet done it (woman PM or person of colour) they’ll deny the optics.

I think it shows that the Tory party generally dont give a toss about ethnicity, sex, etc with reference to power in their party. If you are a Tory then you are one of them so to speak. The labour party in my experience tie themselves in knots to promote diversity and in terms of leadership of the party fail. I find it quite interesting.

Uh. Uh. Casdon I hear PM might have peaked too soon! ?
Maybe it’s a good job I didn’t have a flutter. She was my No.2

C’mon Kemi! (still my No.1 from upthread ages ago). ?

Prentice

Iam64 the Conservatives have a chance now to elect a black woman to the top job should they so choose.
Labour must have had chances in the past to elect a woman.
I agree Riverwalk and said so earlier in this discussion.
It was four women and four men and in this grouping half were not white, so well done to the Party.

Why is the fact that she is a black woman in anyway relevant? Maybe I'm colour blind, but I honestly don't think that it is.