Penny Mordaunt's credibility is destroyed by her lies

I’m not every woman and I often disagree with the main flow of the thread, I have voted Tory in the past, at the last GE I did not. In my accessment Johnson was mendacious at best, misleading the voters with unrealistic policies. I do give him credit for the Covid vaccination programme, but the way that he handles controversy has been dishonest, creating big issues out of small ones.

Whoever becomes PM has to get the policy right or the Tories will loose the next election, voters want more cash in their pockets, in 2 yrs I don’t see higher taxes improving the economy to achieve that, so taxation needs to fall to satisfy voters.

Looking at the 3 front runners I don’t see a great leader that will inspire voters, wether the winner grows into one time will tell.

Mmmm I am a well worn woman of the left, an early adopter - and then deserter, of Corbyn when he became so paranoid and crotchety and would only talk to his followers. That was creepy.
So I’ve looked deeper into these candidates and being naturally a bit oppositional find myself defending Liz Truss. Why? For a start I think she is on the spectrum which as we all know can make people very focussed but often not in tune with superficial performance. She went to local ( to me) Leeds comprehensive in a very leftwing Leeds at the time. You couldn’t swing a cat without bumping into another miners benefit. I organised many.
She is hung up on maths, (father a professor of pure maths at Leeds) and Margaret Thatcher (?) was it because she went on so many anti thatcher marches? Which she did with her left wing parents, and a horror of authoritarianism, and profound distrust of the Soviet Union/Russia which after all saw the CND cohort as ‘useful idiots’.
Her dream job is to be Chancellor. She wants compulsive maths education till 18. She currently wants to borrow and spend and scrap the NI rise.
Every job she’s done has resulted in further promotions. She went to Oxford from the comprehensive 6th form. She was annoyed that those at Oxford were no brighter than her Leeds peer group the only difference being those at Oxford had been privately educated. She couldn’t sell herself for toffee. She was the first Foreign Sec to be able to release Nazanin.. seven before her had failed. She didn’t even bring that up in the debate.
She is so easy to mock. Sunak just shouted her down for her ‘fairytale economics’ no borrowing for him he would rather tax the low paid…. instinctively for austerity and we know where that got us.
She won’t win, she hasn’t got that X factor. Perhaps she will always be the number two that the PM will get the credit for, like her early moves against Russia and supporting Ukraine, the first and mocked, since when Boris has taken the bouquets.
She was the first publicly elected person to state unequivocally that women were a sex class. That’s when I started looking at her.
Cheers Liz I wish you well. You are up against public opinion and that is against you.
I wish to god that you could have said that sending migrants to Rwanda was wrong. I wish you could have said how your top priority was to integrate the care sector under the NHS. Massive problems waiting for our fairytale Labour politicians to sort out…
I wish you could have stuck being a Remainer instead of being like BrexiKeir..

Corbyn doesn’t lie ?

Annie1

"Every woman on the left has said her piece about the Conservative party"

Assuming that we're all "on the Left" - which I don't believe we are, but never mind.

The electorate is under no obligation to be kind to a party, or its leader, if they feel that party - particularly if it is in power - has mismanaged its obligations and duties. We are not - us voters - a charitable institution. MPs represent us, we pay their salaries and for their perks and have every right to hold them to account.

And, as the Right will make no bones about their contempt for the Left, both inside Westminster and outside of it, besmirching and smearing their leaders, MPs and party members, then sauce for the goose, etc.

You deem it a "hate-fest". It isn't, it's a consensus of opinion about a party, its leader, and the prospective leaders, about whom there is very much a cause for concern. Even some of the RW media is critical.

When someone lies - consistently and continuously - and his government support those lies (until they don't any longer), then it is only a matter of time before the worm turns. If you cannot trust the PM of your country to be at least honest and tell the truth, then democracy is finished.

Is there an MP apart from Jere,y Corbyn who doesn’t lie?

Aveline

There is no composite 'they'!! That is my point. Just as all Labour and LibDem voters are all different and have different priorities.

I'm not disputing that. Annie1 wrote "Every woman on the left has said her piece about the Conservative party. You obviously think we do not care about anyone but ourselves." She obviously thinks that there is a composite "we", so I was asking what "we" do care about which has been overlooked.

First I must say that I've never voted conservative but I live in the Mid Devon that had Neil Parish as the MP. He was a good MP. He did some good works and I don't think he was just concerned with himself. When interviewed, he admitted his wrong doing . Boris has never done that
will any of the contenders for the top job come clean about their past ?

There is no composite 'they'!! That is my point. Just as all Labour and LibDem voters are all different and have different priorities.

Aveline

What a ridiculous statement Growstuff. There are all sorts of conservatives of all ages, backgrounds and ethnicities with all sorts of different priorities. I'm not a conservative btw just shocked at such a daft sweeping generalisation.

How is a question a "statement" or a "daft sweeping generalisation"?

Maybe you could answer the question. It was a Conservative voter who claimed that Conservatives aren't just concerned about themselves, so I'm seriously wondering what or whom they do care about.

Anniel

But the Labour Party is not in power and leaderless.
The Tory party is both, that's why we're discussing the Tories here and not Labour.

It's not a General Election, it's a leadership election and the winner will become the new PM.

Some Gransnetters could vote Conservative but still disapprove of what has been going on with Johnson and those close to him over the last couple of years.

Aveline

What a ridiculous statement Growstuff. There are all sorts of conservatives of all ages, backgrounds and ethnicities with all sorts of different priorities. I'm not a conservative btw just shocked at such a daft sweeping generalisation.

Not so daft, the first priority of a politician is to get elected the to stay elected, the currently Tory MP are a bit sensitive how many are going to get culled at the next GE.

Anniel

Well at least reading the venomous remarks of opinion on all the candidates gives me a good laugh. So much hearsay knowledge and not one of the the candidates is not a liar. I am sure Labour has a magic money tree to give even more to the NHS and all the other state funded entities. I even saw a quote from Alistaur Campbell who would take the gold medal of being a liar. I do hope Sir Keir realises that men and women are biologically different.I am a woman and a mother who has a vagina. Maybe you could all debate who the Labour Party will overcome this particular hurdle. Then there is the scandal of how young girls were sexually abused and nothing done because social workers, police and teachers were frightened of being labelled racist if they acted against those men perpetrating these horrors. Are Labour and Lib Dem followers concerned about the war on free speech being waged at universities? I never see any threads about these serious concerns. Keep on with the hate fest. I am really enjoying it.I see that someone had to wait for Maizie to explain something. That made me smile. I enjoy Gransnet because it gives an insight into other women’s lives. But you have excelled this week. Every woman on the left has said her piece about the Conservative party. You obviously think we do not care about anyone but ourselves. If the general population agrees with you the Conservatives would never win a general election. I understand the Labour Party is looking for a new leader. I do hope they stick with Sir Keir.

I think it’s the Conservative party that’s waging a war on free speech….

I was watching but DH has turned over because he (and I) got fed up with Rishi interrupting everyone.

What a ridiculous statement Growstuff. There are all sorts of conservatives of all ages, backgrounds and ethnicities with all sorts of different priorities. I'm not a conservative btw just shocked at such a daft sweeping generalisation.

Annie1 As a matter of interest, whom do Conservatives care about other than themselves?

I think the Tory Westminster 'gang' must be running scared of Penny M hence the poisonous stuff going on. That makes me like her even more.

They’ve certainly go the knives out for Mordaunt today, they seem very late realizing she has achieved very little in politics and has a habit of putting her foot on her mouth.

I’m not keen on Sunak or Truss either, it’s a shame no one substantial is standing, in a GE the Tories are not going to do well with them

Maybe that’s the reason they backed Johnson for so long.

Well at least reading the venomous remarks of opinion on all the candidates gives me a good laugh. So much hearsay knowledge and not one of the the candidates is not a liar. I am sure Labour has a magic money tree to give even more to the NHS and all the other state funded entities. I even saw a quote from Alistaur Campbell who would take the gold medal of being a liar. I do hope Sir Keir realises that men and women are biologically different.I am a woman and a mother who has a vagina. Maybe you could all debate who the Labour Party will overcome this particular hurdle. Then there is the scandal of how young girls were sexually abused and nothing done because social workers, police and teachers were frightened of being labelled racist if they acted against those men perpetrating these horrors. Are Labour and Lib Dem followers concerned about the war on free speech being waged at universities? I never see any threads about these serious concerns. Keep on with the hate fest. I am really enjoying it.I see that someone had to wait for Maizie to explain something. That made me smile. I enjoy Gransnet because it gives an insight into other women’s lives. But you have excelled this week. Every woman on the left has said her piece about the Conservative party. You obviously think we do not care about anyone but ourselves. If the general population agrees with you the Conservatives would never win a general election. I understand the Labour Party is looking for a new leader. I do hope they stick with Sir Keir.

It's a pity Jim Hacker wasn't on the list - up against the current runners, he'd be a shoo- in, and probably make a better job of it than any of them (aided, if that's the right word), by Sir Humphrey, of course. ?

May the worse person win - we can rely on the Tory grassroots to come up with the least suitable PM!

No need to be reticent Lucky

Good post Dickens.

BJ did not get Brexit done - he cobbled together an unworkable agreement that is to the detriment of us all; especially NI. He did not care what the agreement looked like as long as there was one.

The vaccine roll-out was in the hands of someone who was unpaid; and the presence of the vaccine happened because the pittance of funding that scientific research gets was suddenly boosted. The whole programme of protection supplies was a jobs for the boys exercise as far as I can see.

They are a rather revolting shower of back-slappers and arse-lickers. It all makes me shudder.

Am I imagining it or has Liz Truss already had talks with USA about them buying some of our NHS ( to fund their shareholders). And also agreeing that we will buy their antobiotic treated beef without the tracing which other sources have to have.
We need politicians who have Britains best interest at heart. Not their own.
If the sale of Cannel 4 goes ahead, how long before Nadine Dorries gets a seat on the board of what will probably be a foreign company.
Tom Tuggenhat doesn't have experience of government office but he talks sense and seems sincere.

I expect she would like to be a young MT to be honest!!

Head is bursting with all the goings on and back stabbings from the Tories...Agree they don't give a hoot bout the country only about their own egos....I got a shiver when I listened to Penny M deliver her speech....Echos of a young Maggie Thatcher....