The Forde Report what should happen now?

I think distribution is more of a problem than lack of growth, if the Labour party does not stand up for a more equal distribution of this country's wealth, who will?

I think though that MaisieD might well be correct in that they might understand about state spending but are too afraid to say so.

Anniebach

The far left wanted Corbyn’s ideals, the country didn’t

I don't think that's actually true, Ab. As I just said, surveys have shown that people mostly like 'left wing' policies, they just don't seem to trust Labour...

Most people think public ownership of utilities rail water is the best way dont you

Chakrabati joined the Labour Party April, her report was released in June, she was in The Lords in August.

Grany

^The Forde report is also devastating about Corbyn’s inability to deal with the situation Grany, it got worse under his leadership, leaving one hell of a mess for Starmer to work through^

In 2018 Corbyn had a report commissioned by Chakrabati
And Jenny Formby cleared backlog left deliberately by MC Nicol Antsemitism was politically used to undermine Corbyn as Forde Report states. Starmer should impliment changes. Starmer weaponised antisemitism against Corbyn we all know it's a scam. There was very little 00.1 when Starmer took over.

So you're saying that the Forde report is wrong?

The left have been trying to hold Starmer to ransom ever since he took office Glorianny. It hasn’t worked, and it won’t work. The party has to change, and whether it was him or somebody else trying to move the party forward, the left wouldn’t be happy because it’s their way or the highway. There’s just no real evidence that a lot of the poorly evidenced predictions the left have made will come true. They haven’t in Wales, and they won’t for the UK either.

Remember this Grany?
fullfact.org/economy/labour-cost-nationalisation/

Casdon

The left have been trying to hold Starmer to ransom ever since he took office Glorianny. It hasn’t worked, and it won’t work. The party has to change, and whether it was him or somebody else trying to move the party forward, the left wouldn’t be happy because it’s their way or the highway. There’s just no real evidence that a lot of the poorly evidenced predictions the left have made will come true. They haven’t in Wales, and they won’t for the UK either.

Remember this Grany?
fullfact.org/economy/labour-cost-nationalisation/

The interesting question is, 'If Labour managed to set up the NHS, and nationalise mining, steel production, road haulage, utilities and transport (road and rail) in the post WWII period when the country was ostensibly broke, why can't they do it now?'

It’s now a global issue MaiziD. Of the Big 6 energy companies, only British Gas remains under British ownership.

You can still nationalise if you have a mind to.

Report was about factionalism Forde said Labour should be a broad church. Starmer is expelling the left.

Starmer ejects Jews from his party who supportive of Palestine Starmer say Israel is not an apartheid state when UN says it is.

The mood of the country was different then. End of the war, troops returning home having mixed with a wider range of people than they would have in peace time, a feeling they, and their families, deserved something for the sacrifices they had made, a desire not to return to the attitude of the ruling classes taking all and throwing the crumbs to the rest, the fact that many of them had injuries they would have to live with as they couldn't afford to pay. My father-in-law would probably also add the fact that the ordinary man in the street realised how stupid their so called betters were.
I think there are other periods in history, both here and abroad, when a 'mood in the country' directed how events played out. The French Revolution and Brexit spring to mind and I am sure other GNetters can add to my list. My current perception is the 'mood' is changing.

Casdon

It’s now a global issue MaiziD. Of the Big 6 energy companies, only British Gas remains under British ownership.

Whether the companies were British or foreign owned, the former owners still had to be compensated. It cost money to nationalise but it din't bankrupt the already very poor UK. That's what I find so interesting.

Devorgilla

The mood of the country was different then. End of the war, troops returning home having mixed with a wider range of people than they would have in peace time, a feeling they, and their families, deserved something for the sacrifices they had made, a desire not to return to the attitude of the ruling classes taking all and throwing the crumbs to the rest, the fact that many of them had injuries they would have to live with as they couldn't afford to pay. My father-in-law would probably also add the fact that the ordinary man in the street realised how stupid their so called betters were.
I think there are other periods in history, both here and abroad, when a 'mood in the country' directed how events played out. The French Revolution and Brexit spring to mind and I am sure other GNetters can add to my list. My current perception is the 'mood' is changing.

Well, the 'ruling classes' soon managed to put paid to the post war feelings, didn't they?

I’m a pragmatist MaizieD. I read into this that Starmer would dearly like to bring utilities companies back under state control long term, but the agenda will be so massive initially that the benefits of doing so are outweighed by what else would not happen. I don’t know whether people are aware, but a different model operates for Welsh Water to any other utility company in the UK. This could be part of his thinking.
corporate.dwrcymru.com/en/about-us/company-structure/glas-cymru

Casdon

The left have been trying to hold Starmer to ransom ever since he took office Glorianny. It hasn’t worked, and it won’t work. The party has to change, and whether it was him or somebody else trying to move the party forward, the left wouldn’t be happy because it’s their way or the highway. There’s just no real evidence that a lot of the poorly evidenced predictions the left have made will come true. They haven’t in Wales, and they won’t for the UK either.

Remember this Grany?
fullfact.org/economy/labour-cost-nationalisation/

Interesting report by the CBI not known for their support of nationalisation, which takes no account of the fact that some of the nationalisation would occur naturally as franchises ran out, or of the fact that the nationalised companies would be paying profits back to the taxpayer, or would use the profits to reduce the costs o the general public so all would benefit.
From the link
Aside from the way the analysis was reported, CBI’s methodology has been disputed.

In particular, various economists have questioned the valuation of companies using a 30% mark up on the regulated asset values.

Also the CBI has since admitted it made an error by including the cost of buying the rail industry’s trains—which isn’t Labour party policy. The CBI said it was unable to provide an exact breakdown of its calculations, or how much it estimated the acquisition of trains to cost.

The remarks about the magic money tree are reported to be in today's speech.
The party could renationalise if it wanted to, and give subsidies to help keep heat and light at an affordable level for everyone.
The execs of the water companies garner enormous payouts while they pump raw sewage into our waterways and somehow this is o.k.

I think Starmer's imagining a Magic Money Tree because he has no idea where enough cash to keep the LP going will come from.

Glorianny

I think Starmer's imagining a Magic Money Tree because he has no idea where enough cash to keep the LP going will come from.

It would be more honest of you to quote what he actually said, which was:

“With me, with Rachel Reeves, you will always get sound finances, careful spending, strong, secure and fair growth."

“There will be no magic money tree economics with us.”

In other words, the opposite.

Casdon

Glorianny

I think Starmer's imagining a Magic Money Tree because he has no idea where enough cash to keep the LP going will come from.

It would be more honest of you to quote what he actually said, which was:

“With me, with Rachel Reeves, you will always get sound finances, careful spending, strong, secure and fair growth."

“There will be no magic money tree economics with us.”

In other words, the opposite.

He's obviously thinking about it though, possibly because he needs one??

Glorianny

I think Starmer's imagining a Magic Money Tree because he has no idea where enough cash to keep the LP going will come from.

I think you ought to see what his speech actually said before making assumptions. The 'magic money tree' references had nothing to do with LP funding.

The determination to misinterpret and to denigrate is awe-inspiring.

McDonnell thinks Starmer should support strikers do you.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=_RzE6518ggc

MaizieD

The determination to misinterpret and to denigrate is awe-inspiring.

It’s quite unbelievable, especially when the analogy to the magic money tree was a direct dig at the Tory leadership hopefuls, which surely the left should support. I’m sure in fact if Starmer said today was Monday the left would swear it was Thursday and mock him for getting it wrong.

I do agree with Glorianny that if keir Starmer thought the party needed to move to the right to win an election then he should have said so when he was going for the leadership.
We would have had a more informed choice.

If he had not presented himself as a left wing, redistributive candidate I don't think I would have voted for him, as I preferred Lisa Nandy's passion

MaizieD

The determination to misinterpret and to denigrate is awe-inspiring.

Oh come on can't you take a joke!

Woman accused Starmer of being a liar, in Liverpool today like Torylite, video

m.facebook.com/groups/we.love.trust.and.support.jeremy.corbyns.labour/?multi_permalinks=6044115822285007%2C6043969728966283¬if_t=group_activity¬if_id=1658768370820694&ref=m_notif

Tim Longson post. A Corbyn supporting Facebook page.