So the Final 2 - Liz and Rishi

Who ever takes over from Johnson will be a multimillionaire with a closet skeleton count only surpassed by their broken promises. They will have the use of crown powers to do what they want with no democratic accountability.

Personally I can't think about the next GE, we need transparent solutions to the cost of living crisis et al, NOW..not in another 18 months +

Neither Thank you

Chestnut

Don't worry about Truss, Rishi will win.

Telegraph says poll shows that Truss will win.

By the next general election it looks likely that the economy will be in an even worse state than it is now, which is pretty bad.

Many voters will have suffered, seeing their real incomes decline while costs rise.

Rishi Sunak could not shrug off responsibility for trashing our economy because he has spent a lot of time as Chancellor.

Liz Truss looks like a glove puppet operated by the ERGs . Although, when she was apparently still capable of independent thought, she voted Remain, she is so consumed by ambition way beyond her abilities that she has done a complete about turn and is now more brexity than Marc Francois. She is a puppet of the ERGs who now control much of the Conservative Party and she will do and say anything they chose to programme her to do and say.

What a brilliant choice!

If the Opposition cannot make mincemeat out of either of these chancers, they have no right to call themselves Opposition MPs.








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Chestnut

Don't worry about Truss, Rishi will win.

Telegraph says poll shows that Truss will win.

And the bookies do, she’s way ahead judging by the information collated by the Guardian.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/19/tory-leadership-latest-odds-tracker-bookies-next-pm

It’s unbelievable.

Ah but polls are quite often wrong after all, as we know.
I would now prefer Rishi Sunak to win and be PM as he will be competent if nothing else.Smart and articulate as well. He would do very well at PMQ’s.
Quite a wait now though until we will know.

Whoever has the misfortune to inhert this job, Tory or Labour - I wish them God's help.
They'll need it.

I always think so Fennel as it is such a tough job, and a life lived in the public glare, but there are never a shortage of applicants who wish to do it.

At the end of the day the winner will be The Daily Mail and Telegraph, which are the most read papers by older Tory members. Oh and the Express favoured by a few such as my neighbour.
Such is democracy in Britain today.

Rishi Sunak - PPE, Oxford
Liz Truss - PPE, Oxford

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I don’t like either of them. I suppose Rishi is the more professional, but I don’t care for him at all.

So we are swapping a pound shop Churchill for a pound shop Thatcher . Whilst Thatcher may be popular with the tory base, she wasn’t popular in the red wall or anywhere else really. The Tories may have shot themselves in the foot on this one ( fingers crossed). We are in for loads of tax cuts and no doubt more cuts in the already crumbling public services. Grim.

All I know is that I will never vote Conservative again. I have zero faith in any political party at the moment.

Bring back Theresa May…

Politically naive but cynical here - I think it was always going to be Truss, all the rest were camouflage.

I have no faith in how any of the political parties choose their leaders. LP got the wrong Milliband (IMO) because of the block vote, Corbyn was an absolute disaster, KR was the best of a bad lot but uninspiring, Cameron was terrible and lacked judgement, BJ is a joke and if they choose Truss, well words fail me! Why do we have such poor politicians and then have systems that mean the rubbish rise to the top instead of the best? Perhaps we always had poor politicians but now their weaknesses are more easily exposed. Do people come into politics for the wrong reasons? Certainly I have an MP vaguely in the family by marriage and he's a complete idiot who I wouldn't employ to mow my lawns! I am utterly disillusioned and sickened by it all!

I know this is a thread in its own right ( just can’t be bothered to start one ) but why did so many Labour supporters really dislike Jeremy Corbyn? I always thought he was more grass roots Labour than popular Tony Blair. Was he too far left? ( surely that’s what the Labour Party should be? )

And where’s Volver? She used to be on here all day every day.

Kandinsky

I know this is a thread in its own right ( just can’t be bothered to start one ) but why did so many Labour supporters really dislike Jeremy Corbyn? I always thought he was more grass roots Labour than popular Tony Blair. Was he too far left? ( surely that’s what the Labour Party should be? )

And where’s Volver? She used to be on here all day every day.

I never understood it. I thought he was, perhaps, idealistic but a genuine socialist. I also thought he was hounded out by a vicious smear campaign.

100% agree.
Jeremy Corbyn was Labour. A proper socialist - yet many Labour supporters couldn’t stand him, I’ll never get that?

Let's hope these are the final two, as the pressure is mounting to put Johnson in with the final two, for a vote by the membership.:

"At least 4,000 Conservative Party members have demanded a vote on whether Boris Johnson remains leader.

They have signed a petition to party co-chairman Andrew Stephenson asking for the Prime Minister to be put on the run-off ballot with Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss.

The appeal accuses the Tory MPs who removed him of having 'vested interest reasons and grievances to settle'.

The petition to Mr Stephenson said: 'Back in 2019, Boris Johnson was elected by the membership to be our new leader.

'Now that choice has been changed without referral to the people that elected him.

'You cannot disenfranchise the membership from the whole process from the beginning as this is open to abuse by the parliamentary party who may have vested interest reasons and grievances to settle against our leader.'

It adds: 'Morale amongst the membership is low and there is anger towards the parliamentary party.

'I demand Boris Johnson be added to the ballot as an option for the members to vote upon in the forthcoming election.'

The two men leading the petition are Lord Cruddas, a self-made billionaire and major donor to the party, and David Campbell-Bannerman, a former MEP.

They claimed section 17 of the party's constitution enables the board to add Mr Johnson's name to the ballot.

It reads: 'The board shall have power to do anything which in its opinion relates to the management and administration of the party'.

However the same document also rules that 'a Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election'.

Mr Campbell-Bannerman, who is also the chair of two Conservative associations, said: 'The heat on the board is intense because you are destroying an election winner. It's suicidal for the Tory party. You are guaranteeing a Labour victory.'

Ballot papers are expected to be sent out in early August, meaning any intervention to change the course of the race would have to come within days.

Lord Cruddas, who was given a peerage by Mr Johnson against official advice, has threatened to withhold £500,000 of donations unless the Prime Minister is allowed to contest."?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11033915/Thousands-Tories-demand-Boris-Johnson-ballot-party-members-vote-replace-him.html (On other media, but this one is paywall free)

Kandinsky Jeremy Corbyn was publicly ‘assassinated’ by the right wing mainstream media. They consistently drip fed the nation a tissue of lies about him and his political views. Their propaganda worked. Many people, particularly the more ‘centrist’ Labour supporters, believed what they were being told. Corbyn was a true Socialist who believed in social justice. His vilification by the powerful media barons, for their own ends, is a shameful stain on our nation.

Mr Campbell-Bannerman, who is also the chair of two Conservative associations, said: 'The heat on the board is intense because you are destroying an election winner. It's suicidal for the Tory party. You are guaranteeing a Labour victory.'

And there, in black and white, is what this government is all about. It's not about what is the right course to follow for the benefit of the nation as a whole, or the wellbeing of its citizens, or dealing with any of the issues facing millions of people... it's about one thing and one thing only, the survival of the Tory party. They want Johnson on the ballot simply because he has voter-appeal and might keep them in power.

If the Devil himself looked like a good bet, they'd engineer to get him on the ballot paper, too. They realise their popularity is waning, and they are going to move heaven and earth and disregard any rules in order to make sure that the electorate - even if the majority of it wanted a Labour government - give them enough seats. They intend to stay in power for perpetuity.

Prentice

Ah but polls are quite often wrong after all, as we know.
I would now prefer Rishi Sunak to win and be PM as he will be competent if nothing else.Smart and articulate as well. He would do very well at PMQ’s.
Quite a wait now though until we will know.

Are polls often wrong? They all have a margin of error. If the outcome is very close they have a chance of seeming wrong but that would depend on what you mean by wrong.

Definitely LizzieDrip
I’ve come to realize that many Labour voters actually prefer watered down tories as their leader.