So the Final 2 - Liz and Rishi

The number of members of the Tory Party is thought to be 160,000. That would mean 2.5% have signed the petition (if my maths is right).

I think that if Truss is the winner, Johnson will have a roll in her government.

Let's hope it's Rishi then.

LizzieDrip

Kandinsky Jeremy Corbyn was publicly ‘assassinated’ by the right wing mainstream media. They consistently drip fed the nation a tissue of lies about him and his political views. Their propaganda worked. Many people, particularly the more ‘centrist’ Labour supporters, believed what they were being told. Corbyn was a true Socialist who believed in social justice. His vilification by the powerful media barons, for their own ends, is a shameful stain on our nation.

I don’t think that’s the reason. I think he proved himself to be incompetent and incapable of leading the party through his actions, he had no grip. Labour supporters who are not on the left of the party are not idiots who believe the mainstream media, most of us are intelligent, thinking people who are pragmatists.

I'm a Labour voter and I don't want any kind of Tory however dilute. The non-dom, billionaire press and rich Tory donors threw everything at ruining his chances as they knew he would stop their tax avoiding/cash for honours/contracts for mates/donations for influence ways. Just like they threw their weight behind Brexit so that they and the richest of the rich could continue to avoid paying taxes.

I am so sorry the media ruined Jeremy Corbyn as I believe he would have done so much to make life better for millions in our country and improved the lives of all of us who use the NHS, libraries, social care, education, all public services. Climate change would have been a priority. He wouldn't have missed Cobra meetings.

He's a decent, thinking man of true principle who has devoted his life to social justice.

Ailidh

Politically naive but cynical here - I think it was always going to be Truss, all the rest were camouflage.

I think you are right. I few weeks ago from an excellent source, there was talk a plan afoot.. Truss for PM and BJ kept on to continue working on Ukraine only. Let's now see if that happens.

As for these polls? I know several in the Tory party, they know nothing of these polls. Everything's comes in via email

Headline of The Mirror today sums up the situation.

"Out of the lying man, into the dire."

Casdon:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-attacks-75-per-cent-three-quarters-fail-to-accurately-report-a7140681.html

LizzieDrip

*Casdon*:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-attacks-75-per-cent-three-quarters-fail-to-accurately-report-a7140681.html

What does that prove though LizzieDrip? It proves the media were biased, as they are against any Labour leader. The leap from media bias to assuming those in the centre of Labour are gullible fools as you imply is wrong.

I think that if Truss is the winner, Johnson will have a roll in her government

I hope it’s a role WWmk2 as that comment could suggest different connotations altogether! ?

Casdon

LizzieDrip

Casdon:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-attacks-75-per-cent-three-quarters-fail-to-accurately-report-a7140681.html

What does that prove though LizzieDrip? It proves the media were biased, as they are against any Labour leader. The leap from media bias to assuming those in the centre of Labour are gullible fools as you imply is wrong.

It's not just about those in the centre of Labour though. At a general election it's about volume. Millions of people across the country receiving a constant drip, drip, drip of poison and lies. It would have influenced voters hugely.

FarNorth

Daisymae

Apparently there's a petition of Tory members to get Johnson's name added to the vote. So maybe it's not over till it's over!

What is the matter with them?

How long have you got?

Truss now saying :-

She wishes she'd supported Leave as 'some of the portents of doom haven't happened'.

The UK's economic policy of the last 20 years hasn't delivered economic growth. This after 12 years of Tory rule, 8 of which have seen her in senior government roles.

She didn't want Johnson to go and that his balance sheet was 'very positive'.

The leap from media bias to assuming those in the centre of Labour are gullible fools as you imply is wrong.

This was certainly not my intention; in fact, far from it. In response to a question posed by another poster, I was merely pointing out the power and strength of a biased media. This is my perspective; you, of course, have a right to hold a different view. In a democracy, we should all be allowed to see / hear all the relevant facts and come to our own conclusions. Holding different perspectives does not mean that those who differ from me are regarded as ‘gullible fools’. Anyway, I’m stepping away from this now as this is not actually the topic of this thread.

Petera

FarNorth

Daisymae

Apparently there's a petition of Tory members to get Johnson's name added to the vote. So maybe it's not over till it's over!

What is the matter with them?

How long have you got?

A small number of tory party members can petition all they like, but, unless to tory party has secretly and swiftly changed its rules, a leader who resigns cannot stand for re-election in the resultant leadership contest.

There is some lack of clarity as to whether or not Johnson actually has resigned.

This was David Allen Green's take on it:

Yesterday Johnson announced his resignation as party leader.

Here, yesterday’s speech from Johnson was significant.

True, he did not use the word ‘resign’.

But the R-word is not a magic word, and there was no formal reason why he had to utter it aloud for it to make all the difference.

What he did say was enough:

“It is clearly now the will of the parliamentary Conservative Party that there should be a new leader of that party and therefore a new prime minister.

“And I’ve agreed with Sir Graham Brady, the chairman of our backbench MPs, that the process of choosing that new leader should begin now and the timetable will be announced next week.

“And I’ve today appointed a Cabinet to serve, as I will, until a new leader is in place.”

The only meaning these words can have is that a new leader can now be put in place.

And the only way this can happen is for him to cease to be leader.

With his statement yesterday, Johnson – at a stroke – lost control of the process.

The process of selecting a new leader is now so far advanced that I'd be surprised if any change were to be made.

But, of course, I've been surprised before

Yes MaizieD I’ve been thinking that exact same thing. Has Johnson ACTUALLY resigned? He’s been sacked as leader but he’s still an MP so could he, by some quirk / loophole / dark art, be added to the final two???? No, surely even the Tories wouldn’t go down that rabbit hole???

Fortunately Johnson ended his greatest hits speech at yesterday’s PMQs with ‘hasta la vista’ and not ‘I’ll be back’

The polls may be wrong, but the bookies have a habit of being right, and they say it'll be Truss. Aargh!!

RichmondPark1

Truss now saying :-

She wishes she'd supported Leave as 'some of the portents of doom haven't happened'.

The UK's economic policy of the last 20 years hasn't delivered economic growth. This after 12 years of Tory rule, 8 of which have seen her in senior government roles.

She didn't want Johnson to go and that his balance sheet was 'very positive'.

Well - if she thinks she got it wrong by voting Remain, then can we trust the decisions she makes as PM?

Or maybe this is just a desperate attempt to adjust her credentials for the very Brexity Brexiters in the party who might also have doubts about her?

I think it's pathetic. Another one who will abandon any principle for the sake of power... as did / does Johnson.

We're coming back in the same door we went out...

its like choosing which loo to use after a 3-day festival isn't it?

I can't get too invested in it, as I think they are both awful, and neither would have been in with a ghost of a chance if Johnson hadn't rid himself of anyone competent at the start.

If I had a vote, which funnily enough I don't, I would go for Sunak, but only because Truss seems even worse, not because I think he's at all suitable to lead the country. All we can do now is hope that global events don't deteriorate too much before there is a General Election when with luck we can start again with a new regime. I hope it will be a Labour government, but if that's not to be, at least a Tory one with a new and untainted cabinet would stand a chance of getting us through the rest of the decade without total and irreversible disaster.

Well at least Rishi seems to like giving money away.....

Riverwalk

I think we can look forward to Prime Minister Truss, as dire as that sounds!

At least people who are into pork futures will be pleased!

Another woman would be bl**dy disastrous!(no offence- as i am a woman!) but when we've tried it, it has not worked!- the women we get in don't seem to have either any compassion (Thatcher) or any backbone (May) not like Scotlands Nicola Sturgeon.?

Truss says she was inspired to go into politics by seeing “lots of children let down day low educational standards”

She was born 1975. She was educated entirely under conservative governments from primary school to university. 1979 to 1996.