So the Final 2 - Liz and Rishi

Whitewavemark2

Last night Sunak argued the case for leaving the ECHR, saying that it is preventing the Tories from achieving their objectives.

The European Convention on Human Rights. Basically, written by British lawyers after WWII to prevent any European country from becoming a Nazi-style regime again.

And the Tories want to leave it, because it prevents them from achieving their objectives. Think about that.

Oh, and the less well-informed will cheer him on. Because they think it's the "EU telling us what to do" and interfering in our justice system.

Yes, we helped to formulate the blue-print and were one of the first signatories.

And the Tories want to leave it, because it prevents them from achieving their objectives. Think about that.

I have WWM2, and I despair. We are heading for a dictatorship in all but name.

I'm glad I will be shrugging off this mortal coil before it's fully realised and we are powerless to rescind any rules or policies, and that my whole family has emigrated out of this toxic environment. But what about all those - especially the young - who are stuck with it, whose whole lives will be affected and who will have little recourse to do anything about the bind that they will find themselves in?

I hear and read comments from people urging us to "wake up", but we won't. We are now too far down the rabbit hole.

Two would-be leaders slugging it out over tax cuts, whilst our infrastructure is crumbling, the NHS imploding, social-care and other services disintegrating, people unable to feed themselves, wages stagnating further, the cost of living literally becoming unaffordable, energy prices causing people to face stark choices - even those that are currently 'managing', unrest mounting, strikes looming, the nation ever more divided both by wealth inequality and political bias... and all these two can manage is to argue over when to make the already wealthy even more wealthy. Tax cuts for the rich will see them invest in property which will make it even more unaffordable and send rents sky-rocketing. Those on a low or even modest income will find their tax cuts eaten up immediately by their weekly shop and their fuel bills.

It's utterly depressing.

WWM2

Last night Sunak argued the case for leaving the ECHR, saying that it is preventing the Tories from achieving their objectives.

The European Convention on Human Rights. Basically, written by British lawyers after WWII to prevent any European country from becoming a Nazi-style regime again.

And the Tories want to leave it, because it prevents them from achieving their objectives. Think about that.

Well, only in a 'trickle-down' sort of way.

A 'crumbs from the rich persons' table' sort of way

MayBee70

Let’s just hope that, even if they don’t implement it the north remembers this at the next election.

I really hope they do - those who lent their vote to the Tories to get Brexit "done" or prevent Corbyn / Labour from gaining power.

They were promised so much, and "delivered" so little (there's that word again!) by a party that - by its very ideology - does not represent their interests. Well, only in a 'trickle-down' sort of way.

As we are not living in a book or film, I have no confidence that everything will come out all right in the end.

“Today in the Daily Mail....'All political careers, Enoch Powell famously said, end in failure. Boris Johnson is a striking exception to that rule.' Does anyone actually believe this rubbish? How do they get away with it.”

Johnson’s WHOLE political career has been a failure, it’s been a lie from start to finish, not many politicians do that badly.

In dystopian books and particularly films, it generally comes out alright in the end, MayBee. My confidence that this will do so is a bit threadbare currently.

DaisyAnne

The horrifying thing is that Sunak appeared to be the sane one! He is desperate to get back into the race and, we should assume after seeing this, is prepared to sound increasingly more extreme to do so.

But how have we reached the point where a national newspaper prints a promise that people who "vilify Britain" will be treated as extremists and referred to the Prevent Deradicalisation Programme? Where else in the western world is such a thing taking place? And where will they draw the line?

We saw Johnson accusing the Labour Party of "running our country down" when they criticised his Government. He also cried out against them saying they were not supporting the NHS, when it was the government they were taking to task. They could easily now conflate "Country" with "the Government" and suddenly free speech is gone.

It takes place in books written about dystopian futures

The horrifying thing is that Sunak appeared to be the sane one! He is desperate to get back into the race and, we should assume after seeing this, is prepared to sound increasingly more extreme to do so.

But how have we reached the point where a national newspaper prints a promise that people who "vilify Britain" will be treated as extremists and referred to the Prevent Deradicalisation Programme? Where else in the western world is such a thing taking place? And where will they draw the line?

We saw Johnson accusing the Labour Party of "running our country down" when they criticised his Government. He also cried out against them saying they were not supporting the NHS, when it was the government they were taking to task. They could easily now conflate "Country" with "the Government" and suddenly free speech is gone.

Defintely not just you MayBee70

Totally surreal. Lies passed off as truth. Uturns left right and centre. Personal insults about elected leaders.

Today in the Daily Mail....'All political careers, Enoch Powell famously said, end in failure. Boris Johnson is a striking exception to that rule.' Does anyone actually believe this rubbish? How do they get away with it.

I thought Sunak wanting to class people vilifying U.K. as terrorists of some kind fake news but it isn’t. Good grief!

DaisyAnne

MayBee70

Is it just me or is all this becoming totally surreal?

It's not you.

Oh no it is NOT.

I think it's time they brought back "Drop the Dead Donkey!" Some brilliant story lines for them here.

MayBee70

Is it just me or is all this becoming totally surreal?

It's not you.

Petera

volver

WTA...?

twitter.com/charleshymas/status/1554710430366449664

People who vilify Britain will be treated as extremists and referred to the Government’s deradicalisation Prevent programme under plans by Rishi Sunak.

See you in the camps, sisters...

I expect someone from the Taligran will be along in a minute to defend it.

That’s the whole of Scotland and Wales then. Probably easier for the Tories if we just leave.

I've been laughing ever since the "just ignore her" comment. Nothing else to do, is there?

Taligran

I shall start sewing gold coins into the hems of my skirts.

The only way I can cope with this is to laugh, irony is dead, Mock the Week have had to cancel because the truth is beyond parody.

volver

WTA...?

twitter.com/charleshymas/status/1554710430366449664

People who vilify Britain will be treated as extremists and referred to the Government’s deradicalisation Prevent programme under plans by Rishi Sunak.

See you in the camps, sisters...

I expect someone from the Taligran will be along in a minute to defend it.

WTA...?

twitter.com/charleshymas/status/1554710430366449664

People who vilify Britain will be treated as extremists and referred to the Government’s deradicalisation Prevent programme under plans by Rishi Sunak.

See you in the camps, sisters...

Excellent description of the state of affairs Glorianny. I’d laugh if it wasn’t so serious!

Really can't think why- we've just got a PM who was the most popular and screwed everything up, two candidates for PM who nobody wants, the opposition is led by a leader who is liked by everyone except the members of his party: and they're all on holiday just now anyway. Way to go UK!!!

Doodledog yes thats how it feels to me too!

MayBee70

Is it just me or is all this becoming totally surreal?

It's like living an episode of Black Mirror.

This much is true

“Few understand this, but the air cover Tories get from Mail, Sun, Telegraph, Express acts as a multiplier of lies - and a giant comfort blanket - but
@EdwardJDavey

@Keir_Starmer
,
@NicolaSturgeon
face a battalion of bollocks daily. The gap is immense.”