Labour sacks shadow transport minister who backed strikes.

Unsurprisingly Grany you omitted to include the text that accompanied the figures.

Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention figures

The latest YouGov/Times voting intention poll shows Conservatives with 34% of the vote (+2 from our previous survey on 21-22 July) to Labour's 35% (-4). This shrinking of the Labour lead from seven points to one is a sharp move, but the changes are either within the margin of error or close to it. It will be worth waiting to see whether further polls in the series replicate the extent of this narrowing of the gap before we can be certain of a Conservative recovery.

Quite important, wouldn’t you say?

Any drop in support for the Labour Party cannot be joy for a
Labour Party supporter or Labour Party member.

DaisyAnne

That's hardly "breaking news" when we have had nothing to listen to but the Conservative Leadership Election. Add to that the undisciplined side of the Labour Party has been throwing eggs at their own windows again and we find people are not surprisingly reacting to both.

What exactly did you expect? After all, it's what you work towards, isn't it Grany?

I despair regularly about the joy with which people who claim to want rid of the tories, gloat when ever any moderate m-/leader gets criticised

Grany

? BREAKING: Labour lead drops to 1pt (+/- since 21-22 Jul)

? Lab 35% (-4)
? Con 34% (+2)
? LD 13% (+1)
? Grn 7% (-1)
? SNP 5% (+1)
? Ref 3% (-1)

Seats (+/- since 2019):

? Con 275 (-90)
? Lab 269 (+67)
? SNP 54 (+6)
? LD 27 (+16)
? Grn 1 (-)

Via @YouGov, 27-28 July

So your glee includes selling off the NHS to leave poor (you know - the many not the few) with poorer health outcomes .

More children in poverty

People struggling with the cost of living crises

A country that has suffered year on year since 2010 with no end in sight, except the wealth gap ever wider

You let dogma override your empathy and common sense.

varian

You are so right Fleur .

Will somebody pl;ease tell Kier Starmer?

He knows. With two years to the election (that is as of today, tomorrow may be different) he needs to do things at the right time.

Depressingly the next general election doesn’t have to take place until 24th January 2025 either, so he’s got plenty of time yet because they will drag it out until the bitter end I’m sure - only about 900 days to go now. I’m thinking of making myself one of those calendars where you mark the days off to keep a bit of hope.

Unless the left wing of the Labour Party really have a go at Keir in which case the Conservatives might call an early election?

Mick Lynch on Double Down News.

On trade unions labour and Tory.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=MwTD4fH31-I

Talks a lot of sense

Grany

Mick Lynch on Double Down News.

On trade unions labour and Tory.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=MwTD4fH31-I

Talks a lot of sense

Valhalla here we come.

Diametrically opposed to what Keir says now in every detail, and this was only 2020.

“It’s very important you get politicians to come out and support you and stand with you” he said, speaking as a member of the shadow cabinet. Video I will support Campaigns like your and others like you.

twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1555508592555556865?s=20&t=6FO-uolOS8wmd7nz4Vc1lQ

Can you believe anything Starmer says?

'I'm very proud to support you, both as the local MP for here, but also in the shadow cabinet and running as leader of the Labour party because my leadership, if I win it, will be standing with you and other campaigns like you'

Starmer isn’t stopping anyone supporting strikers, or going on picket lines. With your eye for truth, I’d have thought that would be clear

Grany who or what are you supporting? Or is your general aim simply to destroy the chances of anyone and everyone left of centre? Is it that you would prefer a right-wing government rather than a left-wing one that doesn't suit you 100%?

Do you realise those supporting the far-left are about 10% of the country? How are they ever going to form a government?

Having banned his front bench standing on the picket lines, a ruling which has been ignored, a video has emerged of #Starmer saying during #Labour’s leadership election that he would do just that?

DaisyAnne

Grany who or what are you supporting? Or is your general aim simply to destroy the chances of anyone and everyone left of centre? Is it that you would prefer a right-wing government rather than a left-wing one that doesn't suit you 100%?

Do you realise those supporting the far-left are about 10% of the country? How are they ever going to form a government?

If you don't understand that it isn't a question of left or far left it's a question of honesty and trust then you really need to look more carefully. Starmer has broken so many promises it is impossible to believe anything he says. There are only two possibilities, either he lied about his intentions or he has no ideals or principles and simply shifts when the wind blows. Both of those make him unacceptable as a party leader or PM. Honestly haven't we had enough of duplicitous men running the country?

I didn’t realise that the RMT advised it’s workers to vote for brexit. Unlike Keir who opposed it.

It’s like banging the head on the brick wall. I’ve no problem with people not liking Starmer, entirely their choice. Distorting facts in support of personal feelings is so tedious

I think that’s unfair Iam. Posters on here have given reasons why they have little faith in Starmer with no distortion of facts. Your prerogative to ignore those facts and give other reasons why you like him. But some of the personal remarks on here towards people who think otherwise are offensive, and reminiscent of the reasons I stopped posting on political threads some time ago.

nightowl

I think that’s unfair Iam. Posters on here have given reasons why they have little faith in Starmer with no distortion of facts. Your prerogative to ignore those facts and give other reasons why you like him. But some of the personal remarks on here towards people who think otherwise are offensive, and reminiscent of the reasons I stopped posting on political threads some time ago.

I don’t think Iam64 is being unreasonable to be frustrated when the same posters repeatedly post links to dubious sites which give false information or distort the facts. Even worse when posters quote but don’t reference, pass off other people’s comments as their own, or post slurs which have no basis in fact.

Grany

Mick Lynch on Double Down News.

On trade unions labour and Tory.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=MwTD4fH31-I

Talks a lot of sense

So, can you tell me if Mick Lynch advised his workers to vote for brexit?

Don't expect an answer MayBee.

I am still waiting for Grany to tell me who or what she is supporting. I have a feeling I could be waiting some time.

Casdon

nightowl

I think that’s unfair Iam. Posters on here have given reasons why they have little faith in Starmer with no distortion of facts. Your prerogative to ignore those facts and give other reasons why you like him. But some of the personal remarks on here towards people who think otherwise are offensive, and reminiscent of the reasons I stopped posting on political threads some time ago.

I don’t think Iam64 is being unreasonable to be frustrated when the same posters repeatedly post links to dubious sites which give false information or distort the facts. Even worse when posters quote but don’t reference, pass off other people’s comments as their own, or post slurs which have no basis in fact.

Please can you post any example of slurs which have no basis in fact. It's fine to disagree but really no one criticising Starmer has done so from the viewpoint of simply disliking him (which many considered OK to do with Corbyn). They have stated things he has said and the actions he has taken, which time and time again have been entirely opposed to each other. How can this be "slurs".

There have been those who refer to dubious sites. There have been those who post published, bylined content as their own. Also, there have been those who make accusations that were, long ago, shown to be slanderous/libellous lies attacking the current, elected Labour leader.

It would be interesting to know who those members who attack the Labour party and its leader in this way support. Perhaps they don't belong to or relate to any party. On the other hand, it would be intriguing to know what they are positively in favour of rather than all the negatives. Which part of politics do they expect to carry their views forward? What do they want all their negativity to achieve?

This continuous bitter attack gives us no hint of a way forward. It would be good to know what they expect that to be.

DaisyAnne

Don't expect an answer MayBee.

I am still waiting for Grany to tell me who or what she is supporting. I have a feeling I could be waiting some time.

I’m not going to drop this. I only found out about it yesterday and I’m furious about it.

DaisyAnne

There have been those who refer to dubious sites. There have been those who post published, bylined content as their own. Also, there have been those who make accusations that were, long ago, shown to be slanderous/libellous lies attacking the current, elected Labour leader.

It would be interesting to know who those members who attack the Labour party and its leader in this way support. Perhaps they don't belong to or relate to any party. On the other hand, it would be intriguing to know what they are positively in favour of rather than all the negatives. Which part of politics do they expect to carry their views forward? What do they want all their negativity to achieve?

This continuous bitter attack gives us no hint of a way forward. It would be good to know what they expect that to be.

DaisyAnne I'm still looking for another leader for the LP I don't expect Starmer to last.
There is nothing dubious, slanderous, libellous or doubtful about the things Starmer has said and done.
1. These were Starmer's 10 pledges. Most of them are now doubtful. 5,7 and 10 are completely disregarded keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/
2 He promised to unite the party and yet he has expelled a number of members, because they were left wing. That isn't uniting anything.
3 He hasn't supported the strikes but he had previously insisted he would.
Given the degree of change he seems to have undergone since becoming leader how on earth can anyone support or believe him? You simply have no idea what he would be willing to abandon if he was given any position of power.