Labour sacks shadow transport minister who backed strikes.

Stop trying to bring this down to the small business man and his profits and recognise that there is a gap between the rich and poor in this country that is totally unacceptable, unless of course you are prepared to accept Victorian standards, and have the poor cold, and starving (which I believe Tories like Jacob Rees Mogg would

I don't think that anyone is trying to bring anything down to small businesses. They're just demonstrating that decent employee/employer relationships can exist. These people should be part of the Labour movement, too. Not only because they recognise the value of good relationships but also because they are very often the aspiring 'working class' and Labour is also a party of aspiration. And they work hard...

My local plumbers, builders, hairdressers, small shopkeepers etc. earn a living, provide some employment and service the local economy. They are very important to our general wellbeing. They're not of interest to the tory party because the tory party works purely in the interests of Big Money.

foxie48

I think it was the right decision and it's about time we stopped defining labour as "For the working man" and Conservative as "for the rich", it may have been appropriate in the past but it is not relative now and we need political parties to reflect that change. Strikes harm everyone and those that can do the most harm benefit tbh I'm not happy with that, why should a train driver have more "clout" than a care worker?

He doesn't ! A care worker has exactly the same right to withdraw their labour as any other worker.
You could also argue that those whose jobs are vital to the well being and vital infrastructure of our society are indeed deserving of decent wages and conditions. I would class care workers in that category.

MaisieD Well said!

Tony Blair stabbed the unions in the back 25 years ago so we shouldn’t be surprised by Labour really.

Iam64

Starmer is rock and hard place. The minister went on the picket line and gave multiple unauthorised interviews. He knew he’d be sacked. The left are brewing a leadership challenge for September’s conference. Like that’s going to help defeat the awful tories ?

Agreed Iam64, when will they learn?

DaisyAnne

Iam64

Starmer is rock and hard place. The minister went on the picket line and gave multiple unauthorised interviews. He knew he’d be sacked. The left are brewing a leadership challenge for September’s conference. Like that’s going to help defeat the awful tories ?

Agreed Iam64, when will they learn?

I really don't know, the LP should be well placed to win the next GE but unless they have a more unified party the Conservatives will get in again with an even more right wing agenda. I despair.

MaizieD

^Stop trying to bring this down to the small business man and his profits and recognise that there is a gap between the rich and poor in this country that is totally unacceptable, unless of course you are prepared to accept Victorian standards, and have the poor cold, and starving (which I believe Tories like Jacob Rees Mogg would^

I don't think that anyone is trying to bring anything down to small businesses. They're just demonstrating that decent employee/employer relationships can exist. These people should be part of the Labour movement, too. Not only because they recognise the value of good relationships but also because they are very often the aspiring 'working class' and Labour is also a party of aspiration. And they work hard...

My local plumbers, builders, hairdressers, small shopkeepers etc. earn a living, provide some employment and service the local economy. They are very important to our general wellbeing. They're not of interest to the tory party because the tory party works purely in the interests of Big Money.

Don't know who you are arguing with MaizieD I have friends and relatives with small businesses (I was raised in a small business) all of them believe in social justice and Labour values and Agree with Mick Lynch.
Most of them are suffering because of the huge costs of energy and fuel which eat into their profits. Most of them want something done. The question is why doesn't Starmer?

& you have to love what Owen Jones is saying.

Quote from Kandinsky

I’ve tried to find something online ( when searching ‘how was the Labour Party founded’ that doesn’t include trade unions, - just to please you WW but I can’t. So maybe you need to find out more about the party you support.

As far as I can see, no one anywhere has said the Trade Unions were not involved in the foundation of the Labour Party. So, to put it in your rather aggressive style, maybe you need to report other people's posts correctly.

The relationship between the Labour Party and the Trades Unions has always been complex. To ignore that is to wish for failure. The unions have not found a better way to influence politics than through their affiliation to Labour. However, they are not the Labour party. Acting as paymaster, however, can put as many people off voting for Labour as the type of support the Tories get puts people off voting for them. Nothing about this historical tie is easy.

We can do nothing to change the direction of politics unless a party has power. In-fighting, as so many have mentioned on these boards, is simply a way of destroying that chance of power. That is why the right and their client journalists use the relationship in an attempt to cause splits.

I don't think voters need to go as far as Tory supporters do. No backing of a consummate liar, destroyer of democracy and possibly lawbreaker for them. However, those who consider themselves Labour Party supporters need to remember Benjamin Franklin's comment, "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

The sacked MP seemed to have forgotten this truism.

Good post DA

UNITE has announced there will a strike at Felixstowe docks

I’ve reached the conclusion that Labour don’t actually deserve Keir. I wish he’d go back to law and,have a much easier life. And I don’t think the people in this country deserve a Labour government. Sick of it all to be honest.

Don't know who you are arguing with MaizieD

I was quoting directly from your post, Gloryanny. I'd assumed that you were accusing us of trying to deflect the debate away from the large corporations. If I was wrong, I apologise.

But the involvement of SMEs in Labour is important. I'm glad that you agree with me.

Good post at 12.25 daisy Anne
MayBee. Keir Starmer was an excellent barrister, leader of the CPS and he’s a good Labour leader.
The carping left has been destroying the party especially since the Corbyn leadership.

Dianne Abott is bad mouthing Keir on Facebook as per usual. I despair.

So it was o.k. for the right of the party to try and destroy a left wing democratically elected leader but not o.k. for the left of the party to criticise a leader?

The general public destroyed Corbyn.

You can't really blame Dianne Abbott for feeling as she does about him. The leaked messages between the labour staffers who worked against a Labour victory were appalling in their remarks about her. Then she has to watch Keir Starmer give them money.
Maybe he was right to do that in some people's eyes to save a court case, but really, how must she feel to see that.

Her contribution to the last election campaign was appalling. She’s very happy to do the rounds slagging off Starmer, I fear she meets her own needs to the exclusion of the country

DaisyAnne
Thu 28-Jul-22 12:25:41

Excellent post!

How many people said they couldn’t vote for Labour because of the thought of having Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary? She was great fun with Michael Portillo on the politics show with Andrew Neil but she lost credibility as a potential cabinet minister years ago. She was an amazing, ground breaking politician years ago but I find her embarrassing these days.

Just listening to James O’Brian talking about his blog with Keir Starmer.

What struck him was that he found him to be a man of deep principles and beliefs held passionately.

What he isn’t is a showman.

James O’Brian also said that the disruptive left of the party are simply arguing about smelling their own farts. The country absolutely rejected Corbyn.

Whitewavemark2

Just listening to James O’Brian talking about his blog with Keir Starmer.

What struck him was that he found him to be a man of deep principles and beliefs held passionately.

What he isn’t is a showman.

James O’Brian also said that the disruptive left of the party are simply arguing about smelling their own farts. The country absolutely rejected Corbyn.

No one mentions Corbyn except for those who want to criticise the left. We criticise Starmer because he is systematically destroying the party he promised to unite, because he seldom speaks against, or criticises, the policies and practices which have brought this country to the state where ordinary working people do not know how they will survive the coming winter. He may have deep principles and beliefs but he does b***all for working people.

I’ve had to unfollow Dianne Abbott on Facebook. It’s as bad as the Daily Express Facebook page. And people that were on the peoples vote marches that Keir supported are now calling for Corbyn ( who wasn’t ) to be reinstated. It makes no sense to me.

If the Tory leader was a ‘Sir’ they’d never hear the end of it.
Seems to go unnoticed with Labour.