Labour sacks shadow transport minister who backed strikes.

Kandinsky

If the Tory leader was a ‘Sir’ they’d never hear the end of it.
Seems to go unnoticed with Labour.

What is this relevant to?

I will concentrate on Truss and Sunak, which ever wins the leadership will win the next general election

Why do you say that Annie?

varian the Conservatives are wide open for attacks but the
far left in the Labour Party are choosing to attack their own party

I agree Glorianny, it is the right of the party who are obsessed with Corbyn. Not satisfied with having plotted and schemed to prevent a Labour win in the 2019 election, they have also excluded him from the parliamentary party, but still they bang on about him. Just let it go!

Whatever my reservations about Starmer I had hoped the party could move forward under his leadership, but he seems intent on breaking every pledge he made and continuing to fuel factional divides. The right can only look back to the perceived glory days of Blair, and the supposed horrors of the Trade Unions. It’s a long time ago, we need to look to the future. For goodness sake Sir Keir, tell us who you are and what you stand for. Unfortunately, without any words, I believe you are showing us with every word you speak (or don’t) and every act you make.

Sorry my last sentence doesn’t make sense

Kandinsky

If the Tory leader was a ‘Sir’ they’d never hear the end of it.
Seems to go unnoticed with Labour.

That does take the biscuit for the most inane comment of the day.
Keir Starmer was a Sir before he was elected as a politician
The last three PMs who were Sirs in office have all been Tories.

If Keir Starmer loses the next election it will be down to his poor and divisive leadership.

Anniebach

I will concentrate on Truss and Sunak, which ever wins the leadership will win the next general election

Can you imagine the state we will be in?

Whitewavemark2

Anniebach

I will concentrate on Truss and Sunak, which ever wins the leadership will win the next general election

Can you imagine the state we will be in?

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The Labour Party need to get their act together and do four things-

1 Stop attacking each other.

2 Work hard to win all the seats which are Tory / Labour contests - not just marginals but any seat where the LP came second to the Tories.

3 Let the other parties - the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP , Plaid Cymru, get on with winning Tory seats where they are the strongest contenders.

4 Finally, and most importantly, pledge that they will reform our rotten voting system, replacing FPTP with PR, in accordance with the wishes of the vast majority of LP members in order to make the UK a true democracy.

Varian - absolutely.

2&3 might happen from your list varian
1. never will until the Labour Party splits. I’m coming to the conclusion that the denouement is very close. Bring it on please, I think a seismic shift in British politics is the best way forward now.
4. I’m ambivalent about 4. having seen it in action in Wales. It reduces local ownership and allows power to ‘anti’ representatives which confuses and delays decision making. However I can see that it also prevents domination by one party which has not been voted for by a majority of the public. I think before PR there should be legislation to require people to vote.

Iam64

The general public destroyed Corbyn.

yes they did, and quite rightly in my opinion.

it is not Conservative voters who are trying to bring down Sir Keir but his own side.Who else would they like to be the leader I wonder?Who else is capable of making labour a winning Party?
we cannot know how the voting public will feel in two years time, even a year seems a long time at the moment.
He made a good call in sacking Sam Tarry.

varian

The Labour Party need to get their act together and do four things-

1 Stop attacking each other.

2 Work hard to win all the seats which are Tory / Labour contests - not just marginals but any seat where the LP came second to the Tories.

3 Let the other parties - the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP , Plaid Cymru, get on with winning Tory seats where they are the strongest contenders.

4 Finally, and most importantly, pledge that they will reform our rotten voting system, replacing FPTP with PR, in accordance with the wishes of the vast majority of LP members in order to make the UK a true democracy.

Varian

1. Sadly, you can't stop people determined to destroy their own and others' lives. Some people seem to think that compromise is the modern day sin of sins.

2. I think that is happening. Those running the party seem to realise a carefully thought-through win is better than a holier than thou bloodbath.

3. I think they know they will need to do that too. It will be up to those parties you name to do their part, as there won't be a pact.

4. Again, I agree PR should be the first Bill put through a new parliament. Then all agreed policies. Then an election under PR. That would mean the currently dysfunctional can have the share of seats that equals the number who wish to vote for them rather than deluding themselves that they are some sort of majority.

Prentice

Iam64

The general public destroyed Corbyn.

yes they did, and quite rightly in my opinion.

it is not Conservative voters who are trying to bring down Sir Keir but his own side.Who else would they like to be the leader I wonder?Who else is capable of making labour a winning Party?
we cannot know how the voting public will feel in two years time, even a year seems a long time at the moment.
He made a good call in sacking Sam Tarry.

I don’t know what they want. Someone said on Facebook that, rather than have a watered down Conservative party they will just spoil their vote. What’s the point of that? I think they want the Conservative to totally destroy the country so they can, somehow, then get a socialist government.

Prentice

Iam64

The general public destroyed Corbyn.

yes they did, and quite rightly in my opinion.

it is not Conservative voters who are trying to bring down Sir Keir but his own side.Who else would they like to be the leader I wonder?Who else is capable of making labour a winning Party?
we cannot know how the voting public will feel in two years time, even a year seems a long time at the moment.
He made a good call in sacking Sam Tarry.

The Conservative voters are certainly open to the illusory truth effect, so will believe false information if it suits their preconceived views. The Conservative party will tell whatever lies they feel necessary to undermine the opposition. After all, they are all followers of a liar and gas-lighter.

A percentage of the Labour Party are quite prepared to let what they decide is the perfect be the enemy of what many can agree is the good. However, they are a minority of the voters who want a centre or left-of-centre government. They need to realise that they cannot bludgeon others into agreeing with their views.

DaisyAnne please do not lump all Conservative voters/party members together.

I know many including family members who have cancelled their membership. I know many who cannot vote for the party in the next GE unless there is a change in its direction to the far right

We are not all part of the ERG fan club.

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne please do not lump all Conservative voters/party members together.

I know many including family members who have cancelled their membership. I know many who cannot vote for the party in the next GE unless there is a change in its direction to the far right

We are not all part of the ERG fan club.

If they voted for this government, they lumped themselves together, GrannyGravy, I didn't. They gave power to the ERG. No one else did.

We need to wait and see what happens at the next election. The damage has been done by the voting at the last one.

So what am I supposed to do when I see a party that is signing its own death warrant- over 200,000 members lost and contributions likely to be unable to support the party.
Long standing and valued members like Ken Loach thrown out.
No commitment to the NHS
No word on the cost of energy and how people will cope
Lack of action over the Forde report and the people named in it.
Just how much must people take before they are allowed to criticise.

The left can hardly "bludgeon others into agreeing with their views."
Most of them have been expelled along with Ken Loach.

Thankfully, Andy Burnham and Sadiq Khan are more willing to support working people when they are driven to take industrial action.

I agree with Glorianny Ilovecheese nightowl

Starmer was on a picket line in 2019 what is he going to do sack himself.

Glorianny

So what am I supposed to do when I see a party that is signing its own death warrant- over 200,000 members lost and contributions likely to be unable to support the party.
Long standing and valued members like Ken Loach thrown out.
No commitment to the NHS
No word on the cost of energy and how people will cope
Lack of action over the Forde report and the people named in it.
Just how much must people take before they are allowed to criticise.

It signed one death warrant when it chose Michael Foot as it’s leader. But it didn’t learn from that and then chose Corbyn. And I’m saying that as someone that supported Michael Foot but realised that the electorate don’t vote for left wing Labour leaders. I eventually left our local Labour Party because I wasn’t left wing enough for them but rejoined because of Keir. It’ll be interesting to see how I get on this time. Never experienced any nastiness when I joined the LibDems. What’s wrong with having a leader that seems to get on well with business leaders?

MayBee, I liked Michael Foot and was devastated when the country didn’t share my enthusiasm. I was so much younger than (she sang) I’m wiser than that now.
I enjoyed Corbyn at the hustings, voted Cooper-Burnham because of my Foot experience. Supported him for a year because he was leader, left the party because he was hopeless etc but voted Labour in 2019 because we’d a good Labour Mp and I dreaded a Tory government. Our mp lost his seat, 450 majority for the Tory.
I rejoined and voted Starmer.
I’m genuinely puzzled about why some people who say they’re left leaning seem unable to learn from history, they will condemn us to more right wing tories rather than recognise their views aren’t shared by the majority

I used to write to Michael Foot. He was just so nice! I just think he thought that other people were as nice as he was! What is strange at the moment is this. If a politician does something that I respect I email them and thank them, doesn’t matter which party they belong to. I know you should only get a reply from your own MP but I find that I get nice replies from Conservative MP’s: sometimes generic but sometimes personal. I rarely get a reply from Labour MP’s.