Transphobic Bullying

People have all sorts of ridiculous opinions on social media and almost no one takes responsibility for the outcome. All.while decrying what ever "other side" there is.

It's very interesting to watch

In my view, telling children and young people that puberty blockers are harmless, or that 'gender confirming' surgery will benefit them, is irresponsible and harmful but that is totally acceptable in most social media.
So I wouldn't take the word of social media for what is good or not.

No problem doodledog

VioletSky

Doodledog

This obsession with gender dysphoria is puzzling.

We still haven’t heard how many children you have come across that suffer from it, have we, VS? My guess is none, by the law of averages. Still, forewarned is forearmed I suppose - in the unlikely event that someone with GD enrols at your school you’ll be ready for them ?.

I have mentioned a child I know but any more than that is no-ones business and most people are unlikely to know what a child is dealing with from the outside

Fair enough, it's just that as it's so rare, I wondered what the odds were of a sufferer being known to you.

Oh yes, and sock puppets are widely used too, aren't they?

I don't know if that's what GL is accused of though, and the 'hateful conduct' thing could really have been anything.

My question remains though - if someone had been bullied off SM, or out of a job, or had a MH breakdown after TRA bullying, would they now be entitled to compensation?

Glorianny

Graham Lyneham was banned from twitter for repeated violations of our rules against hateful conduct and platform manipulation
Why would anyone want such things to be on social media?

Exactly

Especially where children and teenagers might see, it shows a clear lack of responsibility

Doodledog

This obsession with gender dysphoria is puzzling.

We still haven’t heard how many children you have come across that suffer from it, have we, VS? My guess is none, by the law of averages. Still, forewarned is forearmed I suppose - in the unlikely event that someone with GD enrols at your school you’ll be ready for them ?.

I have mentioned a child I know but any more than that is no-ones business and most people are unlikely to know what a child is dealing with from the outside

Mollygo

Multiple identities have been used to manipulate debates, discussions or threads on social media for quite a while.

What at the same time to back themselves up or look innocent while an alterego says the mean things?

That does sound like a bully tactic

Multiple identities have been used to manipulate debates, discussions or threads on social media for quite a while.

Saying "Men aren't women though" is a fact so how can that be construed as hateful conduct and platform manipulation?

On the face of it, no-one. But the Devil is in the detail, isn't it?

Judging by some of the comments on here, just saying that biology trumps 'feelings' when it comes to which sex you are, or that women have a right to single sex spaces is 'phobic', often with a side order of racism and homophobia thrown in. Much depends on who defines what.

I don't know what platform manipulation means. Multiple identities?

Graham Lyneham was banned from twitter for repeated violations of our rules against hateful conduct and platform manipulation
Why would anyone want such things to be on social media?

After the Forstater case, were people who had lost jobs and had otherwise suffered from bullying by TRAs reinstated or compensated? I suppose I'm asking if the verdict applied retrospectively.

Really FarNorth, that's very disconcerting to say the least.

They were removed for violating the guidelines with posts "inciting violence or hatred towards vulnerable groups"

That was the claim when Graham Linehan was banned from twitter for saying "Men aren't women, though".

Sorry - that was in response to this quote from VS

I don't and never have advocated for anything like that and have always advocated for great care to be taken in how we treat gender dysphoria.

This obsession with gender dysphoria is puzzling.

We still haven’t heard how many children you have come across that suffer from it, have we, VS? My guess is none, by the law of averages. Still, forewarned is forearmed I suppose - in the unlikely event that someone with GD enrols at your school you’ll be ready for them ?.

I didnt say you had but it was a very common cry on here.
I will express myself in any way I feel that is ok and that doesnt breach guidelines whether it disappoints people or not. I dont need anyone to judge whether I am better or worse.
There are many statements which have caused damage to young people and that is one of them. And I am not going to stop saying that. Born in the wrong body is another one, we should never tell young people their bodies are wrong in my view. Thankfully many of the organisations such as Mermaids have realised that was an error.

FarNorth

Another very large number of women have stopped calling themselves feminists, to avoid the umpteen types of feminism there now seem to be, and have continued supporting women's rights, not men's demands.

Yes. So necessary because of the bullying of women that has grown, from a radical group of trans women and their fans who increasingly do support male demands.

Galaxy

Content that is dangerous for young minds. Do you mean like 'puberty blockers are harmless'.

I'm glad I couldn't resist another look

galaxy I thought you were better than this sort of comment honestly

I don't and never have advocated for anything like that and have always advocated for great care to be taken in how we treat gender dysphoria

This is really disappointing

I hope you have a lovely evening anyway, I'm having my phone confiscated as we speak

Content that is dangerous for young minds. Do you mean like 'puberty blockers are harmless'.

I have no idea about the case you are talking about vs. But very similar was said about Maya Forstater and many others.

Glorianny

The point of my post (roundly missed by some of course) is that numbers don't matter. Equality needs to be taught and if trans issues are causing bullying in school (and at least two posters have given evidence it is,, however different their perceptions might be) then it needs tackling. And just as you can't say that numbers are small so teaching anti-racism doesn't matter so not teaching about trans issues isn't justified because numbers are small.

Equality needs to be taught.
Can you define your idea of equality?
You accept transgender bullying, but accused me of lying when I mentioned that trans are capable of bullying, so that’s not equality.

They were removed for violating the guidelines with posts "inciting violence or hatred towards vulnerable groups"

People were not able to take personal responsibility for what they said online.

If this led to bullying in schools or against adults for not conforming to gender norms (sexism) then groups like that have no place in society.

There are probably other groups that still exist that have thoughtful considerate members with concerns they express respectfully... without breaking guidelines as well as forums who don't have that sort of guideline at all.

It goes some way towards removing content that is dangerously influential towards young minds

Hope you all have a lovely evening

It's going to continue being costly for people although I am already aware of organisations changing their approach with regard to ensuring gender critical views arent subject to discrimination.