Transphobic Bullying

“On,y the prejudiced will see deliberate actions by transwomen”

You really can’t get more deliberate than rape.

I’m sure the woman who suffered rape and then denial of what happened to her was comforted to be told it was ‘“a mistake”.

Does her experience really count for nothing with you?

Stonewall is not an organisation with any legal basis standing or even influence.

Try listening to the Nolan podcasts on the subject of Stonewall,
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09yk1fy they really are an education.

Here's a few of them Mollygo Get used to them. Flat chested, short haired, tall girls are going to get called "trans"

Glorianny here's an example of an organisation, Survivors' Network in Brighton, refusing to provide a female only group for survivors of sexual violence.

It seemed like a reasonable thing to ask, because they had a group for trans women, and a trans-inclusive group for women, so two groups for people born male, but none just for females,” she says.

unherd.com/2022/07/why-im-suing-survivors-network/

Lots of people are very uncomfortable when Male violence is discussed.

No-one was "penis-waving" but the presence of just one male person in a group for women was enough to ruin the intended experience.

Rosie51

^Stonewall is not an organisation with any legal basis standing or even influence.^

Try listening to the Nolan podcasts on the subject of Stonewall,
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09yk1fy they really are an education.

Thanks Rosie51 but I prefer not to listen to someone who regards journalism simply as a vehicle to stir up conflict.
However you did give me an opportunity to sign a petition to have his programme taken off BBC N.I where his speciality is stirring up conflict and differences between the Catholic and Protestant communities in direct opposition to the peace process www.change.org/p/bbc-end-the-divisive-bbc-ni-stephen-nolan-show/

FarNorth

Glorianny here's an example of an organisation, Survivors' Network in Brighton, refusing to provide a female only group for survivors of sexual violence.

It seemed like a reasonable thing to ask, because they had a group for trans women, and a trans-inclusive group for women, so two groups for people born male, but none just for females,” she says.

unherd.com/2022/07/why-im-suing-survivors-network/

FarNorth I could give you a list of people up in my local court for breaking various laws. Is that at all relevant to the law or the application of the law?
Violations happen all the time.
It isn't the fault of transpeople if one person refuses to obey the law, or if one organisation doesn't respect it.
Sue them. But stop making it anything to do with most transpeople.

VioletSky you chose to post that the logical conclusion from the information available so far, is that trans women are women.
But now you have lost interest so much that you aren't going to answer my question about your logical reasoning?

I was confused by what you might be trying to ask in your OP and I still don't know what you hoped for.

My view is that children and young people are being confused and upset by the pressure in society that there should be uncritical acceptance of trans people as if they are the opposite sex to their reality or have no sex at all, if they are non-binary.

Some children and young people seize on that as an opportunity for bullying and I don't think that will change as long as the current insistence on denying reality continues.

Glorianny
It's not just one organisation.
You claimed that there is no threat to women's single-sex services. There is a threat to them and this is only one example.

Sue them. . Yeah we are but thanks.

Lathyrus

VioletSky

Glorianny

But Doodledog shouldn't it be obvious to everyone that racial bullying had its roots in the stories told about black people. That religious persecution has its roots in the stories told about different religions. You only have to look at the stories told about Jews in the 1930s to understand the growth of anti-semitism.. So isn't it logical to draw the conclusion that the posts made about transwomen waving penises, invading women's spaces, violating women will lead to bullying and the use of trans related abuse in school and in the workplace. And that the biggest recipients of this abuse and those who will be bullied are girls who don't fit the accepted image of women (think Love Island) . In other words those constantly denigrating transpeople are causing far more harm to girls and women than any transwomen.

Exactly

Are you saying that we shouldn’t tell of incidents where transwomen exhibit their penises to threaten women.
That we shouldn’t be told of incidences where transwomen rape other women.
That we shouldn’t talk about incidences where we have felt unable to use women’s facilities because we felt threatened by the way transwomen were behaving.

We should keep quiet about all these things that are happen to women ?

Sadly I have to assume that Glorianys answer to my question is yes.

Just shut up and put up?

Glorianny

Rosie51

Stonewall is not an organisation with any legal basis standing or even influence.

Try listening to the Nolan podcasts on the subject of Stonewall,
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09yk1fy they really are an education.

Thanks Rosie51 but I prefer not to listen to someone who regards journalism simply as a vehicle to stir up conflict.
However you did give me an opportunity to sign a petition to have his programme taken off BBC N.I where his speciality is stirring up conflict and differences between the Catholic and Protestant communities in direct opposition to the peace process www.change.org/p/bbc-end-the-divisive-bbc-ni-stephen-nolan-show/

Fine, don't listen if you don't want to have to acknowledge the huge influence Stonewall has been, but thankfully some institutions are now waking up and leaving the scheme. I wonder why most health authorities, police forces, universities, local authorities and more all signed up to its schemes? Obviously not to be influenced at all, not to earn brownie points, no siree.

FarNorth

Glorianny
It's not just one organisation.
You claimed that there is no threat to women's single-sex services. There is a threat to them and this is only one example.

But women's single sex services are protected by law. Are you saying the law isn't adequate or being properly applied? Because that is an entirely different concept and certainly nothing to do with most transpeople.

Lathyrus

Lathyrus

VioletSky

Glorianny

But Doodledog shouldn't it be obvious to everyone that racial bullying had its roots in the stories told about black people. That religious persecution has its roots in the stories told about different religions. You only have to look at the stories told about Jews in the 1930s to understand the growth of anti-semitism.. So isn't it logical to draw the conclusion that the posts made about transwomen waving penises, invading women's spaces, violating women will lead to bullying and the use of trans related abuse in school and in the workplace. And that the biggest recipients of this abuse and those who will be bullied are girls who don't fit the accepted image of women (think Love Island) . In other words those constantly denigrating transpeople are causing far more harm to girls and women than any transwomen.

Exactly

Are you saying that we shouldn’t tell of incidents where transwomen exhibit their penises to threaten women.
That we shouldn’t be told of incidences where transwomen rape other women.
That we shouldn’t talk about incidences where we have felt unable to use women’s facilities because we felt threatened by the way transwomen were behaving.

We should keep quiet about all these things that are happen to women ?

Sadly I have to assume that Glorianys answer to my question is yes.

Just shut up and put up?

I think we should regard and talk about such people as individuals, just as we do men who rape, expose themselves or commit other sexual crimes. We don't link the crime with all men.

We discuss Male violence regularly and that's what I am doing. I care little how men present when they are hurting women in the same way as I dont care about their hair colour.

Yes Glorianny I'm saying the law isn't being properly applied and that means that women's services are under threat, which you claimed they are not.

It is something to do with trans people but not all of them, of course.

It is a lot to do with misinterpretation of the law, much of that due to deliberate misinformation given in training by Stonewall.

Glorianny

Here's a few of them Mollygo Get used to them. Flat chested, short haired, tall girls are going to get called "trans"

By whom?

VS you say
Because to me, and I'm just being honest...

Is that yet another implication that those who disagree with you are not being honest?

So far, those who disagree with you or with Glorianny (or tri) have been accused of so many things that they don’t do, or haven’t done with regard to trans people that I’m finding it hard to keep up.
I was going to go back and see if clarification if any of the points I asked about had been forthcoming but it’s so unlikely . . .

Mollygo

Glorianny

Here's a few of them Mollygo Get used to them. Flat chested, short haired, tall girls are going to get called "trans"

By whom?

The people who were in the OP. Girls who bully other girls. As I said the real damage will be for them. They will either conform and have a real "girly" look or be treated to trans abuse. I suppose you will blame transwomen for that as well, although it is obviously the result of the trans abuse and blaming all trans people for the deeds of very few.

FarNorth

Yes Glorianny I'm saying the law isn't being properly applied and that means that women's services are under threat, which you claimed they are not.

It is something to do with trans people but not all of them, of course.

It is a lot to do with misinterpretation of the law, much of that due to deliberate misinformation given in training by Stonewall.

But it is trans people who are constantly blamed on these threads. Why not instead target the organisations and blame them? Why isn't there a list of them instead of the transwomen involved?
Why make transpeople the target?
If there are other organisations then why not a concerted effort against all of them?
If it is just a few organisations how is it a threat to women's services as a whole?

Mollygo

Can you tell me what I have accused anyone of? Apart from changing the direction of the topic, which didn't originate from me?

This thread is about the wider media, news and places like twitter

It is under "News and Politics" for a reason

Glorianny
^Girls who bully other girls^-
You mean like the trans girl and her group of nasties who bully my GD? Or are you still denying that can happen?

I haven’t accused you, I said,
So far, those who disagree with you or with Glorianny (or tri) have been accused of so many things that they don’t do, or haven’t done with regard to trans people that I’m finding it hard to keep up.