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Diana’s death. This makes for interesting reading

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Lucca Wed 31-Aug-22 07:25:05

I had no idea about most of this.

Callistemon21 Sun 04-Sept-22 14:58:26

henetha

I hope he will slim down the monarchy; I think he has said this. Although I am a monarchist, I would like to see it considerably
reduced.
I agree he does seem happier and more relaxed these days.
Camilla has been good for him, thankfully.

He's done that already, henetha

Just because some of them still have Royal titles doesn't mean they receive any taxpayers' money. I think one or two were rather cross with Charles because he stopped their funded security too.
Two left of their own accord too, saving us even more.

Joseanne Sun 04-Sept-22 14:03:42

But health and safety, concerning royal security, must have existed in Diana's day too. Im sure I read that she had to do a course to learn escape and evasion techniques and how to handle fixated individuals. There must have been a section on how to escape from a vehicle (if unwounded), which surely must have covered how to react if it was suspected the driver was drunk. Basically refuse to get in the car. I agree that in the heat of the moment she might have lost that perspective of reasoning, or even questioning.

Sussexborn Sun 04-Sept-22 11:53:53

Calendargirl

But they weren’t her security team, i.e. royal security, as she had ditched it.

They were Fayed’s, Dodi and his dad’s.

Because Bashir told her the royals wanted her dead and she fell for it. This was after the divorce and settlement was made so clearly no real reason at all but I guess she panicked and looked for wealthy men with security.

The vehicle was in very poor condition and very dangerous.

People are looking at it through today’s eyes with far more health and safety rules than there used to be.

henetha Sun 04-Sept-22 11:47:30

I hope he will slim down the monarchy; I think he has said this. Although I am a monarchist, I would like to see it considerably
reduced.
I agree he does seem happier and more relaxed these days.
Camilla has been good for him, thankfully.

MissAdventure Sun 04-Sept-22 11:40:05

I am interested to see if he will make any major changes.
He somehow looks comfortable and ease in his own skin since marrying Camilla, she too, looks much "softer" with blurrier edges these days.
Mind you, my eyesight isn't so great now. smile

Anniebach Sun 04-Sept-22 11:28:55

Yes he will unless he dies before his mother or has a serious health problem

MissAdventure Sun 04-Sept-22 10:06:34

No, I honestly didn't, because I have no interest, and that isn't meant as an insult or snub, or as a Charles/Camilla hater.

I think Charles looks better than he has for years since he married Camilla.

He looks younger now than he did in his 30s, 40s.

I enjoy little clips I have seen of him and his wife, giggling like a pair of children.

I am almost interested enough to wonder if he will ever get to be king.

Anniebach Sun 04-Sept-22 10:00:24

Thought you may have heard him speak on the news
MissAdventure

MissAdventure Sun 04-Sept-22 09:55:47

I've no idea, Annie.
I don't follow any of the royals.

I would just imagine that he may have done his mother more favour by confirming that her paranoia was a medical problem, diagnosed by an expert, which was her own personal battle.

eazybee Sun 04-Sept-22 09:50:50

There is a difference between 'being drunk', as in slurring words, being unsteady and smelling of alcohol and having your split second judgement impaired by alcohol and other substances. Plus Henri Paul was head of security at the Ritz and the bodyguards were not in a position to prevent him driving, although they did everything they could to persuade them to abort the trip.
A friend who drank frequently would never sail a boat or ride a bicycle when drinking because the impact of alcohol was instantly noticeable , but in the early years of 'don't drink and drive' felt (wrongly) he was perfectly capable of driving when over the limit because the car was more stable and easier to control.
Split- second misjudgement led to the car crashing, and the speed at which it crashed caused the deaths, (and lack of seatbelts.)

Anniebach Sun 04-Sept-22 09:45:16

Did he not say the Bashir affair fuelled her paranoia

MissAdventure Sun 04-Sept-22 09:39:31

I was just thinking that.
Perhaps William does have access and is able to say with confidence that his mother was paranoid.

Her medical records are of course, nobody else's business, and certainly not the publics.

It's just that it is stated as fact, that struck me.

Anniebach Sun 04-Sept-22 09:36:02

Definitely but why should her medical records be released to the public.

MissAdventure Sun 04-Sept-22 09:33:07

It's become everyday parlance, that word, but there are different forms, at different times in a person's life.
Some are short lived episodes, some are a lifelong battle.

It would need some kind of medical diagnosis, by a specialist, I think, surely?

Anniebach Sun 04-Sept-22 09:27:45

So she spoke of the plot to kill her to 6 people .

The only person who has referred to her paranoia was William

Glorianny Sun 04-Sept-22 09:15:57

Zoejory

lemsip

abcnews.go.com copied and pasted
In 1995, after dismissing her royal bodyguards, Diana was driving alone through London behind the wheel of her green Audi convertible when she approached a traffic when she approached a traffic light. She put her foot on the brake, but nothing happened. Frantic, she kept slamming the brakes as the car rolled into the intersection. Unharmed, she jumped out of the car and took a cab back to Kensington Palace. Then she dashed off a note to her friends Elsa Bowker, Lucia Flecha de Lima, Simone Simmons, and Lady Annabel Goldsmith. "he brakes of my car have been tampered with," Diana wrote. "If something does happen to me it will be MI5 or MI6."

Just ten months before she arrived in Paris with Dodi, Diana predicted the circumstances surrounding her own demise with uncanny accuracy—in writing. "I am sitting here at my desk today in October," she wrote, "longing for someone to hug me and encourage me to keep strong and hold my head high. This particular phase in my life is the most dangerous. My husband is planning an accident in my car, brake failure and serious head injury in order to make the path clear for Charles to marry."

That note came to the public's eye by Paul Burrell. That wonderful man who in actual fact was not remotely wonderful at all.

Lucia Flecha da Lima was one of Diana's closest friends and confidantes. She was adamant it wasn't authentic and didn't believe that Diana was fearing for her life.

So much nonsense. Diana died as a result of a car crash. She didn't sustain a head injury. nor was t here a problem with the car's breaks.

It's all nonsense and upsetting for Diana's children/freinds and family. To have to put up with this nonsense still is really unacceptable. Let the woman rest in peace now .

There were two letters the one Burrel said he had and the one written down by Lord Mishcon her legal adviser during a meeting with her.

MissAdventure Sun 04-Sept-22 09:15:03

I think a toxic relationship or situation can make a person lose sight of rational behaviour, too.

People who have been abused often don't recognise themselves at times.
Of course, that then gives the other person more ammunition against you, which is more frustrating.

I don't pretend to know if either, one, or both behaved in that way, but it is usually the one holding the more power.
It's the powerlessness that sparks off occasions of erratic behaviour, outbursts, "look at me!!! acknowledge me!" behaviour.

Daddima Sun 04-Sept-22 09:13:47

Anti depressants alone don’t affect your ability to drive, or the roads would be rather quiet, and I’m sure Trevor Rees Jones would have noticed if Henri Paul was as drunk as some people say.
That said, there is more chance of it being an accident, despite all the ‘facts’ people have read in the papers and online.

Iam64 Sun 04-Sept-22 08:41:33

Good point Miss Adventure, to question whether Diana was ever medically diagnosed as paranoid.
Paranoia is a medical condition where feelings of persecution, unwarranted jealousy and feelings of self importance are present.

It’s likely Diana’s response to being thrown into such an isolating, unsupportive and public role when she was immature, vulnerable and unprepared led to anxiety and depression. She developed an eating disorder. Her husband was involved with CPB and their failing marriage no doubt led to her feeling jealous and humiliated.

Diana did suffer mh problems, so do many other young women whose personal live’s include overwhelming stress.

True medical paranoi or overwhelming feelings

MissAdventure Sun 04-Sept-22 08:05:27

I've heard rumours that they are one and the same bloke... wink

Calendargirl Sun 04-Sept-22 07:35:40

We keep reading about ‘Andrew Norton’.

Any relation to ‘Andrew Morton?’

Glorianny Sat 03-Sept-22 21:56:18

eazybee

I have no idea how pilot's licence's are renewed in France, or England, simply that when he was driving the car that crashed he was two to three times over the legal limit, plus anti-depressants were also discovered in his blood.
His judgement was clearly impaired, hence the speed and the crash.

You can google it eazybee. A 4 hour medical exam is needed this happens every year. If he was drinking and using antidepressants because his girlfriend left it would have been for 2 years. It is highly unlikely that he would pass the medical, But he did.

MissAdventure Sat 03-Sept-22 20:56:05

Yes, he may well have done.
It may all have been a pack of lies because she was malicious, it may have been because she really was unwell, mentally.
Is there any kind of medical statement to say that Diana was paranoid?
That needs a medical diagnosis, as much as it has become a commonplace word.

Anniebach Sat 03-Sept-22 20:46:19

Andrew Norton wrote what she said on tapes.

MissAdventure Sat 03-Sept-22 20:42:47

Would you believe, Andrew Norton again. smile
Gladys and Fred were to all intents and purposes, a couple.