What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

LauraNorderr

Yes Aveline firmly in cheek.
I do enjoy the cut and thrust of intelligent argument, occasional sarcasm when justified. I don’t enjoy any thread that descends in to pettiness. Some posters pursue it to the nth degree, the point I was making was that Alegrias didn’t. Volver does.
May I add that I’m surprised that a strong character like Alegrias allowed herself to be driven off but I know the feeling.

Yes, I must admit I was astonished when Alegrias left over something that was not really contentious.

Mea culpa

It was the thread about chopping the bottoms of classroom doors which became quite funny and quite farcical.
There are many threads which poke fun, or far worse, at politicians as they are often criticised on GN.

That was one of those threads, very amusing.

I posted that the thread was a joy, how Gransnet used to be.
That poster said that if that was what Gransnet was like, she wanted no part of it. Fair enough.

I must admit I was surprised, as it was a thread about politicians, not attacking any posters.

I remember the thread well and it was a Scottish politician. I didn’t take part in the thread but read it. I thought, perhaps, more had gone on that I wasn’t aware off because I couldn’t see what caused someone to leave. However, it was just a change of name and normal service soon resumed with renewed vigour!

I can’t believe that anyone would send nasty PMs. Surely people can’t take posting on social media so such a degree. Or can they? Wouldn’t occur to me.

So now Michael Sheen is suggesting it might be considered 'insensitive' for King Charles to have visited Wales on 16 Sep which is Owain Glyndwr Day, especially as several Glydwr Day events had to be cancelled. Just wondered what the Welsh grans thought. Did you even know of this day?
King Charles and Owain Glyndwr Day

Chestnut

So now Michael Sheen is suggesting it might be considered 'insensitive' for King Charles to have visited Wales on 16 Sep which is Owain Glyndwr Day, especially as several Glydwr Day events had to be cancelled. Just wondered what the Welsh grans thought. Did you even know of this day?
King Charles and Owain Glyndwr Day

Maybe republicans would think it insensitive, but nobody celebrates Owain Glyndwr day in Wales as far as I know? The turnout to protest at Cardiff Castle yesterday was tiny too, I don’t think it has legs.

I didn't know of it until I read about it in the press. Perhaps they celebrated today instead !

There was a great turnout in Corwen, and I’m told there was in Machynlleth too.

There are huge links to Owain in Corwen and a magnificent statue, so I'm not surprised they held some events.

A bit rich for Michael Sheen to call out someone whose Welsh pronunciation yesterday was perfect compared to his own mangling of “Yma o Hyd” in his rousing football team speech.

He’s anti Royal, sent his OBE back and loses no opportunity to parade his left wing, anti English credentials instead of sticking to something at which he’s absolutely brilliant.

Love it Pantglas2 ??
That has put him in his place!

He’s not anti royal at all, he speaks with great respect of the royals. He gave back his OBE because he didn’t want to be a hypocrite in that he said it would be a meaningful and powerful gesture if the title Prince of Wales was not conferred in the way it has been. It is a title only, not a role, originally a put-down to the Welsh which we really don’t need. It has led to people thinking that Wales is a principality. It isn't, it’s a country in its own right and always has been. This fact was confirmed by the International Organisation for Standardisation in 2011.

Michael Sheen isn’t anti English and neither am I. I’m not anti royal either.

Thegrandmarniter

Michael Sheen isn’t anti English and neither am I. I’m not anti royal either.

Check out the Speech where he lists the grievances going back hundreds of years that he holds against the English.

All whilst absolving Europe of all their misdemeanours in his first sentence! Romans? Normans? Let alone Germans twice in the last century....

I think you'll find Thegrandmarniter, that any person from a country in the UK that doesn't declare undying love for the English Establishment, and has the temerity to opine that their own country might be capable of running their own affairs, is labelled anti-English.

I think its a defence mechanism amongst those who can't conceive that there is anything that might be an actual alternative to being English.

Thegrandmarniter

Michael Sheen isn’t anti English and neither am I. I’m not anti royal either.

Was Michael Sheen born in England or Wales?

Newport used to be in England (moot point)

No idea.

Is being called anti-English acceptable if you are, indeed, English?

He is Welsh, he was born in Newport which as far as I know has always been Welsh, but definitely was when he was born there. He’s pro-Wales, not anti-English. I don’t know anybody who is anti-English actually, but I know lots of people who abhor some of the institutions.

Casdon

He is Welsh, he was born in Newport which as far as I know has always been Welsh, but definitely was when he was born there. He’s pro-Wales, not anti-English. I don’t know anybody who is anti-English actually, but I know lots of people who abhor some of the institutions.

I worked with someone who loathed The English (except me, apparently ?)
As half of our colleagues were English I think it was just rhetoric - and the Five Nations was happening at the time.

There's a West of England pub in Newport

I’ve worked with lots of people who profess to hate the English callistemon and they often spouted Michael Sheen’s calumnies against the Welsh!

Most had the good sense not to state that Europe had been blameless though ?‍♀️

Interesting that those defending Sheen haven’t returned once they read his speech, isn’t it?

Perhaps you could post a link to help us do that Pantglas?

I wouldn't want to rely on second hand accounts...

Can’t do it on my mobile but typing Michael Sheen will bring up a selection of his speeches, interviews etc volver

ach Volver you and I both know its just to keep the natives in their place.Their English Prince will be the overlord they are supposed to look up to as a superior being .
Isn't that what the English RF have always done ,?
My cousins in Newport Sth Wales certainly speak Welsh ,as did their mum when she married my uncle during WW11 .The one I am in most regular contact with is ,like me , a republican and is livid about the "NEW" Prince of Wales ,surely in the 21st century there should besome consultation ,unless of course the RF still believe they rule an Empire ...which some might say is the case.After all they hand out EMPIRE medals all the time!
I dont know a lot about Welsh history but I know from my Aunt that they .like the Scots are a very proud nation with a rich history and culture .Shame some are so willing to live under FOREIGN rule .

It's hardly foreign rule.

fairfraise

It's hardly foreign rule.

Don’t spoil their fun!