Another Benefit of Brexit?

GrannyGravy13

Brexit threads are rather Groundhog Day

If a poster comes on with a bad news story they get support and agreement however, if a poster has positive news it is met with disbelief.

It’s as if posters are queuing up waiting for me to post that my business has failed and my employees are all out of work?

I’d hope not GrannyGravy13, that would be mean when you’ve been honest and spoken from the perspective of your own business. I think many people are genuinely worried though because the wider evidence and forecasting that is coming out from economists is gloomy, and the government has been incompetent. I’m not a natural pessimist, but I read the signs. A lot is resting on the shoulders of Ms Truss. .

Fleurpepper

Not at all, we are however expecting people to look at the wider picture, and not just they own business.

I can assure you that I look at the wider picture, if you really look long and hard at everything there is good as well as bad.

It is just as blinkered to only look at the bad whilst ignoring the good.

We (your quote) can expect what you like, it is naive of anyone not to look at the wider picture. I was repeatedly told on here before 31/12/2019 that I and others would be unable to get the medication which we need to keep us alive, scaremongering at its worse.

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

vegansrock

But on balance if we lol at the decline of the U.K. since 2016, there are many more businesses suffering than flourishing . Not sure of those flourishing? Debt collectors? Pawn shops? Food banks?

Again, I am quite sure no list will come forward.

GG13, this kind of comment can't be made without backing it up. Not only a list, but figures. How much lost and how much won- what is the balance?

If you think I am going to publish my company accounts on GN you have got to be joking.

What I will divulge is that we are still very much in profit, all employees will be receiving a salary increase this month, along with bonuses next month. This is also what other Co.Directors in our line of business are telling us also.

Closer to home, in the last three months, the newly vacated shops in our High Road have been let immediately. Whilst I appreciate that this may not be the same U.K. wide, it is what is happening here.

* GrannyGravy13*
Is your business doing much better after brexit than before?
Has leaving the EU increased your profits and if so, in what way? ?
That is the only criteria that is relevant as claiming that your business has "survived" is not a brexit bonus is it?

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

Brexit threads are rather Groundhog Day

If a poster comes on with a bad news story they get support and agreement however, if a poster has positive news it is met with disbelief.

It’s as if posters are queuing up waiting for me to post that my business has failed and my employees are all out of work?

I’d hope not GrannyGravy13, that would be mean when you’ve been honest and spoken from the perspective of your own business. I think many people are genuinely worried though because the wider evidence and forecasting that is coming out from economists is gloomy, and the government has been incompetent. I’m not a natural pessimist, but I read the signs. A lot is resting on the shoulders of Ms Truss. .

Cannot disagree that forecasters are predicting gloom, a bit like polls before elections they have been known to be wrong. I only post on what I know regarding our business and other related interwoven businesses. I know we are fortunate and I thank my lucky stars often.

I hope Ms.Truss realises that something must be done quickly for those on benefits, capping energy costs should just be the start. Then she has to look at small businesses that are suffering, maybe extend their energy cap for more than the proposed 6 months and have a look at business rates.

I hope that things can move forward with our relations with the EU and other Countries, it’s become obvious that there was not a plan. There should have been plan A, B, C and D before the referendum, I hold David Cameron to blame for that.

Normandygirl

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

vegansrock

But on balance if we lol at the decline of the U.K. since 2016, there are many more businesses suffering than flourishing . Not sure of those flourishing? Debt collectors? Pawn shops? Food banks?

Again, I am quite sure no list will come forward.

GG13, this kind of comment can't be made without backing it up. Not only a list, but figures. How much lost and how much won- what is the balance?

If you think I am going to publish my company accounts on GN you have got to be joking.

What I will divulge is that we are still very much in profit, all employees will be receiving a salary increase this month, along with bonuses next month. This is also what other Co.Directors in our line of business are telling us also.

Closer to home, in the last three months, the newly vacated shops in our High Road have been let immediately. Whilst I appreciate that this may not be the same U.K. wide, it is what is happening here.

* GrannyGravy13*
Is your business doing much better after brexit than before?
Has leaving the EU increased your profits and if so, in what way? ?
That is the only criteria that is relevant as claiming that your business has "survived" is not a brexit bonus is it?

We were fortunate that we were a protected trade during Covid, we carried on throughout with a skeleton staff, and due to what we supplied our profits increased (despite the blatant profiteering from competitors)

Since then yes our profit margins have increased, Brexit has not been the cause of any losses.

I am off out now.

I have answered all questions put to me fully and to the best of my ability.

So some businesses which rely largely on an internal market are doing ok, fine, and not because of any advantages of Brexit. If you compare the current state of U.K. growth/ productivity/ the value of the £ - all on a downward slide compared with closest competitors. This cannot be denied. And there is a pharmaceuticals shortage of many medicines. Anecdotal evidence is not data.

Fleurpepper

geeljay

He also wants those working from home to go back to work. Perhaps start issuing passports and driving licences. Get Britain working and functioning again! Would even be nice to meet our G Ps again.

What Rees Mogg wants to do, is to abolish the Working Time Directive. That means forcing people, many in very dangerous jobs, or in nursing and doctoring, to work over 48 hrs a week.

You cannot remove this, and many other workers’ rights, if you are a member of the EU. This was a major reason why people like Rees Mogg wanted to leave.

I am especially sorry for people with dangerous jobs like drivers and warehouse workers, and for people - women - with childcare or caring responsibilities, because these things are going to really hit them most. Especially in the government’s charter cities which will basically be run by the Sheriff of Nottingham. If you voted for Brexit, you’ve literally allowed the Tories to reinstate the feudal system.

My DH's grandfather was Sheriff of Nottingham. He'd be turning n his grave right now.

There should have been plan A, B, C and D before the referendum, I hold David Cameron to blame for that.

Don't you think the blame lies with the Leave campaigners who had no plan; just lots of assertions about huge amounts of money for the NHS, instant trade deals, not leaving the Single Market etc etc. There never was a plan for leaving.

Mind you, Cameron should have ensured a supermajority.

And May should have re-run the referendum once she knew that the vote had been affected by foreign money and illegalities.

twitter.com/EUnotCoup/status/1191930270867263489

vegansrock

So some businesses which rely largely on an internal market are doing ok, fine, and not because of any advantages of Brexit. If you compare the current state of U.K. growth/ productivity/ the value of the £ - all on a downward slide compared with closest competitors. This cannot be denied. And there is a pharmaceuticals shortage of many medicines. Anecdotal evidence is not data.

Those medicines rpoduced abroad, when there is a shortage, will be sold to partners and to those with a high currency. And if sold to the UK, will cost so so much more due to very low value of the Pound. Same for essential chemicals, for waer purification for instance, isotopes, and any food or goods part of supply chains, or that we can't produce.

That is quite simple to understand.

Nothing changes but this is beyond obscene ?

153 million tonnes of food wasted per year.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/20/eu-wastes-153m-tonnes-of-food-a-year-much-more-than-it-imports-says-report

How many tonnes of vegetables have rotted in UK fields since Brexit as farmers can't get the seasonal workers to harvest them?

How many animals have been slaughtered and disposed of as useless because we cannot get the workers to process them?

How many tonnes of food are thrown away by UK households each year?

The evil EU isn't the only culprit, MerylS

Anyone got any idea why

'The Treasury is refusing to publish a forecast of the UK's economic outlook alongside this Friday's mini-Budget.'

Just leaving this here for those who assert that our declining export performance is caused by covid and not related to Brexit.

Note how EU exports have recovered strongly. I wonder why the UK is in the doldrums.

It may be possible to identify some advantages of Brexit here and there (aside from the ridiculous sovereignty argument) but overall it is a disaster from which we shall take generations to recover. I recall that nice Mr Rees-Mogg said the benefits of Brexit would not be felt for 50 years. He didn't seem to discover any when he was Minister for Brexit Opportunities. He did, however, move his investment office to Dublin to stay in the single market. Just business, of course.

All the civilising influence of the EU is being totally abandoned by a hard right cabal headed by their puppet Truss.

Human Rights are being abandoned

Animal rights are being abandoned

Not a single mandate for any of this.

It is a government of illegitimacy.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

I still don’t understand how from the outset Liz Truss was named as a winner despite not doing well in the initial knockout selections.

Urmstongran

Hyperbolic nonsense.

What do you mean, aren’t they going to do it after all?

They are doing things Casdon of course they are. Something needs to be done urgently now to kickstart our moribund economy. But WW’s statements were OTT and diminished her argument.

“Civilising influence of the EU”?
Haha haha!

Does she think we are barbarians without their ‘benign’ influence? Do me a favour.

Urmstongran - lots of young professionals are working part time, not just doctors. Part time may just be 4½ days of course.
I would personally like to see others in less prestigious jobs being able to manage financially on a shorter working week. I think heath and life quality would be massively improved.

My young professional daughter is working 4 days and last year worked 3 ½.
The younger generation can see what "burn-out" looks like and don't aspire to it.

My husband feels, and I tend to agree with him is that Brexit never really was an intellectual decision it was visceral and emotional. People's feelings were not fully taken into account and the closer the links to Europe the less important, less "special" (for want of a better word) many people inevitably felt.

It was a sense of self-pride that the leave vote spoke to. It was the idea of being alive and powerful. It was a vote about who we are and a sense of "home".

For some of us, home is simply where we make it. My ties to the UK are influenced by having lived abroad. I don't feel things were imposed by an outside agency but that EU memership was simply a partnership for mutual benefit.

I was not belittled by membership.

Most people who voted leave will not change what speaks to their heart as a truth, however painful the practicalities.

If you have lived abroad (even happily, like me) you will perhaps know the occasional quiet longing for the familiar. I love the voices of my hometown if I ever return. It's a profound sense of belonging.
I have come to see Brexit like this.
A sense of home.

NotSpaghetti a truly eloquent post ?

Thank you GrannyGravy13
My husband and I have been trying to understand why people voted this way.
It still makes no logical sense to me but I can see how it may make emotional sense to many.

...and yes, you are right. Cameron should have had set things up better for leaving the EU in that eventually and not agreed to a "first past the post" situation in a referendum.

Yes, I understand you NotSpaghetti about part time working. Our eldest daughter who works as a speech & language therapist in Yorkshire works a 4 day week for the NHS. I think my point was more that if 2/3 of trainee doctors say they plan to do similar, or less, we need to train more up to take up the slack. We don’t have enough doctors in primary health care nowadays as it is.

And to a large extent I agree with your husband about the Brexit vote. It was visceral. It’s about independence, making our own laws to suit our own citizens. Having autonomy.

Just ask Nicola Sturgeon!