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Kwasi Kwarteng at the Queen’s funeral.

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Iam64 Thu 22-Sept-22 09:02:52

Was he taking a private phone call? That’s the least disreputable take I have on him, appearing to talk, laugh, wipe his face with his hand and appear to sway.

Fleurpepper Sat 24-Sept-22 13:24:46

A whole video over quite a period of time? Not so easily. And if it was the case, surely the Goverment would have made official statement and complaint. Did you watch it. He did not just wipe his face and swayed a bit, he was laughing his head off!

MayBee70 Sat 24-Sept-22 13:23:59

Theoddbird

So nobody ever wipes their face and sways? I did once when I felt unwell. As none of you were there I don't think any of you have the right to judge. A newspaper picture could have easily been altered.

It was a video. Not a photo.

Theoddbird Sat 24-Sept-22 13:17:11

So nobody ever wipes their face and sways? I did once when I felt unwell. As none of you were there I don't think any of you have the right to judge. A newspaper picture could have easily been altered.

Dickens Sat 24-Sept-22 12:59:44

searose

Someone may have already said this as I have not read every entry but it is very likely he is neurodiveregent. People in the found row were he was sitting were having a conversation at the time but that has not been blasted all over social media, They of course were elderly white people and not part of the new cabinet who I do not like but I think this has been an unfair criticism.

I haven't read all the comments either. Yes, he could be neurodivergent.

His behaviour did seem 'at odds' with the occasion but accusations of drug-taking, etc fuel rumour and speculation and, as much as I dislike this man's ideology and his general demeanour, I think it's wrong and unfair to condemn him without understanding why he behaved the way he did.

JaneJudge
Oh I'd have definitely felt claustrophobic in those pews!

Yes, so would I! My bout of odd behaviour happened during the stalling of what was then (1970s) called the "drain train" - from Waterloo Station to Bank Underground. The train suddenly and silently came to a halt in the tunnel; everyone around me either studied their nails, the morning paper, or just stared into space, whilst I sweated, fidgeted and smiled manically at anyone who caught my eye and who I thought might give me a friendly pat on the shoulder and tell me it's-all-OK-we'll-be-moving-again-in-a-minute... grin

undines Sat 24-Sept-22 12:49:46

Why is anyone surprised? We have a rabble government, arising from the fact that Johnson sacked anyone who might in any way be a threat, then Truss rewarded only those who supported her (among which we maybe able to number sugar manufacturers - but I haven't checked that so don't leap on me)
I don't care where the clip came from. Anyone in public life who can't control their behaviour at such an event, when they KNOW visual material can be taken at any time, and go viral - well, doesn't say much.

JaneJudge Sat 24-Sept-22 12:29:56

Oh I'd have definitely felt claustrophobic in those pews!

searose Sat 24-Sept-22 12:29:15

Someone may have already said this as I have not read every entry but it is very likely he is neurodiveregent. People in the found row were he was sitting were having a conversation at the time but that has not been blasted all over social media, They of course were elderly white people and not part of the new cabinet who I do not like but I think this has been an unfair criticism.

Dickens Sat 24-Sept-22 12:25:53

I like to be 'charitable' and give people the benefit of the doubt - especially if I don't like them (and I really don't like QK) so as to be as objective as possible.

Do you think he might have been suffering from claustrophobia? I ask because I've been in a similar situation - trapped in a confined space, unable to move around at will. It had a bad effect on me. I was sweating and I know I behaved in a slightly odd way to compensate for the overwhelming panic that I felt.

It's just a thought.

Lucca Sat 24-Sept-22 12:22:28

Nicolenet

Not seen it ... Not interested!!!

Odd comment ….

GrannyGravy13 Sat 24-Sept-22 12:22:13

Last time I was in Westminster Abbey it was impossible to get a phone signal.

Vintagenonna Sat 24-Sept-22 12:18:05

I think he suffers from the same difficulties as Meghan Markle.

A target for privileged white media bods.

I saw an interview with Rachel Johnson. Journalist and sister to you-know-who on the subject of making inappropriate referrals in a right wing rag to Harry's then wife-to-be as "exotic".

"Well, sorry - Harry!" Giggle, giggle.

Fleurpepper Sat 24-Sept-22 12:14:32

Nicolenet

Not seen it ... Not interested!!!

Your prerogative of course. But I am surprised, as this guy is in the process of a multi-billion gamble, you and I will have to pay for, so surely his competency is of huge interest!

Vintagenonna Sat 24-Sept-22 12:10:07

My favourite shot (being caught with you knickers round your ankles) was of a couple of Cardinals both looking at their phones while waiting for the service to start. Someone must have alerted them because they looked into camera and hands/phones went down.

Guess it might have been God calling them.

Livey Sat 24-Sept-22 11:58:12

Perhaps he had toasted our lovely Queen, just a little too often, prior to the funeral ?

NoddingGanGan Sat 24-Sept-22 11:55:19

Funerals do funny things to people. I remember being at the funeral of a much-loved uncle some years ago where the vicar was preaching on Luke 13:34.
I was utterly grief stricken but, at one point, the vicar looked straight at me and said, with great earnestness, "so, you see, God is a chicken!" and I just burst out laughing! I didn't mean to, I wasn't feeling at all jolly I assure you, but I had to quickly bury my face in my handkerchief and pretend to be sobbing with grief not laughter.
Emotions are funny things.

Stella14 Sat 24-Sept-22 11:55:16

He was obviously high. There is a culture of cocaine use in the House of Commons. The place was tested on one occasion and large residues of cocaine were found on the surfaces in the toilets (greater residues than are found in large city clubs). Several of them have been witnessed stoned, Michael Gove being the most well known for it! Although Gove only admits to using cocaine before going into politics, he has been seen very obviously wasted (including once in PMQs) several times over recent years (see also George Osborne).
www.lbc.co.uk/news/westminster-sleaze-drugs-mps-parliament/

www.businessinsider.com/cocaine-traces-found-uk-parliament-including-near-pms-office-report-2021-12?r=US&IR=T

www.politicshome.com/news/article/michael-gove-insists-cocaine-confession-should-not-stop-him-becoming-prime-minister

usuallyright Sat 24-Sept-22 11:52:00

I knew there would be people picking spots off, all those they do not like, for whatever reason. You would surely be better advised to pick out the good parts, and let the not so good parts go by.

Nicolenet Sat 24-Sept-22 11:50:44

Not seen it ... Not interested!!!

Fleurpepper Sat 24-Sept-22 11:48:00

Bluecat

Perhaps he was chuckling to himself at the thought of the awful Budget he was going to spring on us.

you meant the fortune he and others would make out of Trading against Sterling, with full knowledge? More like.

Fleurpepper Sat 24-Sept-22 11:47:11

If it was Silvergirl, surely the Cons would have made it known and officially complained. They have totally ignored this, not a single comment. And yet those around him, and Carrie in front, seemed very aware and embarrassed.

Bluecat Sat 24-Sept-22 11:46:20

Perhaps he was chuckling to himself at the thought of the awful Budget he was going to spring on us.

Silvergirl Sat 24-Sept-22 11:39:47

If it is a doctored video then I feel it should be criminalised. People change their vote on things like this which is an affront to democracy. Remember the doctored video of Starmer hesitating for ages which made him look an idiot. Very unfair dirty tricks.

Googes41 Sat 24-Sept-22 11:37:34

One of the Cardinals seemed to be checking his mobile phone,thought they were banned in the Abbey! Perhaps
He had a divine right!

Silvertwigs Sat 24-Sept-22 11:21:33

Was he on Bluetooth?

JaneJudge Sat 24-Sept-22 11:20:46

Callistemon21

Perhaps he's another old Etonian who think the rules don't apply to him.

well there appear to be plenty of them