Today’s Mini Budget.

vegansrock I never thought for a second you did!
Obvious to me unless previous posts are read its difficult to get the gist of a
poster's intended meaning. Or I'm just not capable of putting over what I mean. In which case I'd be better staying off the political thread and leave it to the ones who generally come here.
I'm out.

It’s nice to have you join in SweetpeaSue.
Your points are quite valid. And sensible.
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That's kind of you Urmstongran. Appreciated. I shouldn't have posted. Not in good state. I was just incensed about the new tax rate.

Understandable.
Anyway your (continued, hopefully!) input is welcome. Even if we on here disagree, that’s fine. I think it helps me to gain some insight.

Sweetpeasue

Can see there's a hole in this argument as a poorer person doesn't HAVE to spend it. They're capable as anyone else to save.
I agree with the general principle.

Are you suggesting they starve in order to save? Why do you think they have any "extra" money when we know many can afford to eat properly?

Shinamae

The rich get richer……..?

Yes. I recommend listening to "Any Questions" R4 on catch up or tomorrow.

DaisyAnne

Sweetpeasue

Can see there's a hole in this argument as a poorer person doesn't HAVE to spend it. They're capable as anyone else to save.
I agree with the general principle.

Are you suggesting they starve in order to save? Why do you think they have any "extra" money when we know many can afford to eat properly?

Indeed- let them eat cake type of comment. Not got a clue!

Very few people starve in the western world.
Watch out for the bleeding hearts on these threads SweetpeaSue.

If this was a mini budget ...

Urmstongran

Very few people starve in the western world.
Watch out for the bleeding hearts on these threads SweetpeaSue.

Best if I don't reply, as I would be struck off from EF.

The word I am thinking about begins with 'B'- for sure!

CoolCoco

If a poor person gets another £1k they would spend it thus boosting the economy, if a rich person is given extra £1k it will just add to their bank balance, they wouldn't necessarily spend it. Has 'levelling up" been forgotten now? Is it now just "trickle down"?

£1K for a poor person would be spent on food, heating bills, maybe new shoes for the children. It doesn't go far and win;t really be boosting the economy.

Sweetpeasue

Can see there's a hole in this argument as a poorer person doesn't HAVE to spend it. They're capable as anyone else to save.
I agree with the general principle.

A poor person is probably going to have to play catch up and so will spend it on basic needs.

Fleurpepper

Urmstongran

Very few people starve in the western world.
Watch out for the bleeding hearts on these threads SweetpeaSue.

Best if I don't reply, as I would be struck off from EF.

The word I am thinking about begins with 'B'- for sure!

Do you remember how, after the war many ordinary German people could not accept what their government had done. The allies marched them through the death camps to show them the bodies, the dying and the indignity. I just wonder, if after we are rid of this government ... ... ...

Obviously not but the ignorance of some people to the lives of others is stunning.

Given a decade or more of Tory government culminating in the Clown followed by the Smirk, don't be surprised by the latest onslaught on the poorest and the slightly better off. It's Toryism writ large.

Oh do me a favour DaisyAnne.
SweetpeaSue has lived through her poverty which is why I cheered her on from the sidelines. Others on here only read about it. Big difference.

OMG What IS wrong with you people. I'm havi g a breakdown here! Just stupidly read this. Will never come on here again. Thank you Urms. I can't believe this.

So sorry I tried to quote Daisy Anne.
I shouldn't be on here tonight. I'm all over the place. Why do I care about what people think of me so much! I'm a wreck.

I'm still trying to get my head round them attacking those on benefit because they are not working full time. It's the government's fault the childcare doesn't work and is becoming less and less available. It's the government's fault that there are not enough carers, and the care system doesn't work. These are two reasons why parents and carers have to work part-time.

Urmstongran

Very few people starve in the western world.
Watch out for the bleeding hearts on these threads SweetpeaSue.

So are some people disposable UG?

Urmstongran

Very few people starve in the western world.
Watch out for the bleeding hearts on these threads SweetpeaSue.

Perhaps read this article in the Guardian

If you are poor, it’s time to ask yourself: have you thought of simply being rich?

Marina Hyde

Simple hey Marie-Antoinette!

There are so many sides to these arguments and I'm glad they're discussed. But nothing is black and white. I wish everyone would understand. I'm not capable obviously. Not intelligent not anythi g

Sweetpeasue

So sorry I tried to quote Daisy Anne.
I shouldn't be on here tonight. I'm all over the place. Why do I care about what people think of me so much! I'm a wreck.

I'm sorry Sweetpeasue. I certainly didn't intend to add to your difficulties. However, I think many of us are aware of Urnstongran's views.

So you can afford The Gaurdian.! Good luck to you. I used to have to read it too for A level at college. Very interesting articles. I'm a Labour person. Can't afford to read that though.

Sweetpeasue

So sorry I tried to quote Daisy Anne.
I shouldn't be on here tonight. I'm all over the place. Why do I care about what people think of me so much! I'm a wreck.

Please don’t worry about it Sweetpeasue, it’s not personal, and don’t be put off Gransnet because your post was misinterpreted. We don’t all agree with each other, but some of the replies were harsher than necessary.

I haven't a clue what I'm writing here. Not drunk just obviously very fraught and stupid