Things King Charles might do

Britain faces future with ‘white, privileged male’ as head of state, says Labour pressure group
Richard Burgon, a current Labour MP, was among around 60 attendees at the Labour for a Republic event on Saturday night

Labour delegates urged to sing national anthem

Labour conference delegates will on Sunday be asked to sing the National Anthem after Sir Keir Starmer opens the event by leading tributes to the Queen under a giant projector screen bearing a black-and-white image of her.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/09/24/britain-faces-future-white-privileged-male-head-state-says-labour/

It was King Charles 1st that lost his head not the 11nd. The second Charles was welcomed back at the restoration by cheering crowds and was known as The Merry Monarch. Traditionally he was one of the most popular of English kings.

For those discussing whether people should sing #GodSaveTheKing - not singing it is not unpatriotic, and patriotism has nothing to do with supporting the monarchy. It's an awful tune accompanied by stupid words. Time we had an anthem we could all sing.

Will be asked to sing is not the same as being forced to sing, is it?
Would they prefer a black privileged male as Head Of State?
Being the King is naturally a privileged position but it would be strange if the present King was any other colour than white.
Rebublic are making a big thing out of this.

You are right Jaberwok that was my mistake.What I was really drawing attention to though was the BBC calling him Charles 11.

Complaining about the skin colour of the head of state is
racist

Just heard this in Desert Island Discs.

Take Me To The Alley..

youtu.be/udxRGfiCIHw

I like an optimist!

Richard Burgon is white Male and privileged, the mess we get ourselves into when we play identity politics . There are much more coherent arguments against the monarchy than that.

Sorry Prentice, I didn't mean to sound a know all. I've noticed too that Charles 11nd seems to have been resurrected in certain. news outlets! An honest mistake or lack of historical knowledge? Probably the latter as knowledge of history often seems extremely sketchy in a lot of media outlets. My own grandchildren although at university have virtually no knowledge of British history, or any other come to that, which I find astonishing and rather sad.

Oh, and I love ,the National anthem and sing it with gusto. But then I'm old fashioned, love the monarchy and am generally very un modern.

The National anthem is a dreadful dirge - dreary tune and words which make no sense in the 21st century.

It was sung with gusto at the conference Today, not a squeak
of protest

"Thy choicest gifts in store on him be pleased to pour"

Why? Why should God give the monarchy special treatment?

nadateturbe

Just heard this in Desert Island Discs.

Take Me To The Alley..

youtu.be/udxRGfiCIHw

Did anyone listen? It's good.

Jaberwok

Oh, and I love ,the National anthem and sing it with gusto. But then I'm old fashioned, love the monarchy and am generally very un modern.

I think we would get on very well Jaberwok

Anniebach
I noticed that too!

I haven't sung the National Anthem for years. There's nothing in it that's relevant for me at all.

varian

The National anthem is a dreadful dirge - dreary tune and words which make no sense in the 21st century.

Agreed, varian ?

If we stopped calling them your majesty your highness, what are they just a celebrity family.

I’m on a train so don’t want to make a noise I’ll listen at home though!

Grany

If we stopped calling them your majesty your highness, what are they just a celebrity family.

Whatever you think of them, the institution is part of our constitution and you meddle with the constitution in the name of achieving simplistic solutions at your peril.

Hasn't Brexit taught us anything?

Grany

If we stopped calling them your majesty your highness, what are they just a celebrity family.

That statement undermines your campaign for a president.
Does it mean you believe we don't need a Head of State at all?
Unlike every other country in the world.

Do you not understand our constitution?

Dangerous territory.

MaizieD

Grany

If we stopped calling them your majesty your highness, what are they just a celebrity family.

Whatever you think of them, the institution is part of our constitution and you meddle with the constitution in the name of achieving simplistic solutions at your peril.

Hasn't Brexit taught us anything?

Personally, I don't think that is becoming a modern state and dispensing with medieval traditions, amounts to "simplistic". Removing a layer of society that encourages blind devotion and unquestioning allegiance isn't "simplistic". Becoming a country which accepts that we are all equal and don't need God to Save one of us because of who his mum was isn't "simplistic" It's just good sense.

Brexit is the disaster some of us always knew it would be. That doesn't mean we never change anything ever again.

Callistemon21

Grany

If we stopped calling them your majesty your highness, what are they just a celebrity family.

That statement undermines your campaign for a president.
Does it mean you believe we don't need a Head of State at all?
Unlike every other country in the world.

Do you not understand our constitution?

Dangerous territory.

I'm not sure, but I don't believe any elected Head of State in a democratic country expects to be called "Your Highness" or "Your Majesty". Because they're not majestic ?. That doesn't mean they are not HoS.

Asking grany if she doesn't understand the constitution is just childish. Do you Callistemon, think our constitution was handed down from on high on tablets of stone and must never change?

volver

MaizieD

Grany

If we stopped calling them your majesty your highness, what are they just a celebrity family.

Whatever you think of them, the institution is part of our constitution and you meddle with the constitution in the name of achieving simplistic solutions at your peril.

Hasn't Brexit taught us anything?

Personally, I don't think that is becoming a modern state and dispensing with medieval traditions, amounts to "simplistic". Removing a layer of society that encourages blind devotion and unquestioning allegiance isn't "simplistic". Becoming a country which accepts that we are all equal and don't need God to Save one of us because of who his mum was isn't "simplistic" It's just good sense.

Brexit is the disaster some of us always knew it would be. That doesn't mean we never change anything ever again.

I'm not saying that the idea is simplistic, I'm saying that altering a constitution is a far more complex operation than people might think. It's simplistic to just say 'abolish the monarchy, just as it was simplistic to believe that we could just 'leave the EU'.

davidallengreen.com/2022/09/the-blocked-route-of-republicanism/

It took France well over 100 years after their revolution to achieve the constitution they now have; with a monarchy and empire or two on the way. It was changing, if I recollect my politics lectures rightly, even during the De Gaulle era.