Labour Party policy beginning to be formed

I thought the extra places for health professionals training was in Rachel Reeves speech yesterday.

Welsh students already get NHS training bursaries, I’m sure they will in England too. A number of councils here are also building new council homes.

I think that Starmer's speech was a bit of a recap, Ilovecheese.

Though he surely must have announced some new stuff? I didn't see it all as I had to depart on granny duty. Conference seemed to like what I saw. I thought his delivery was a bit less wooden than I have seen in the past.

DaisyAnne

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In a speech yesterday I think it was there was the promise to build more social housing. There was recognition that not everyone wants or can afford to buy their own home.

Ah, that's good. Does anyone know if they are going to give bursarys or salaries to health trainees like nurses?

Surely (I really don't know) the Conference vote is not an instruction to the Leadership? I got the impression it just gives them an insight into what the membership is thinking, prepared to accept, etc.

That speech was given by a shadow front bencher - a woman.

I think the biggest new thing apart from everything that had been headlined by the shadow front bench folk was the announcement of a publicly owned energy renewable company.

The idea is to invest in the technology providing jobs for people as varied as scientists, engineers, through all the various skills like builders, electricians, plumbers etc.

It is intended to build an industry second to none for renewables etc.

I think that they have used Norway as the model. Remembe4 how Thatcher wasted all the oil revenue whilst Norway set up a peoples fund which has grown extensively over time and is used to cushion the Norwegians from shock like the rise in energy price etc.

A peoples fund is being set up which will be replenished from the income of the renewable energy and used for future investment etc

I haven’t explained it very well as I only half listened to the speech (doing a bit of water colouring?) so perhaps someone else can almost certainly explain it better.

Oh and the message

Country first, party second

Was smart I thought.

I liked that too. Ed Milliband was interviewed on Radio 5 this afternoon. He described it as bringing together all the stands of energy; manufacture, production, and supply. He also highlighted how much of the energy produced in this country is owned outside the country. He didn't suggest the state would try and run everything as the old-fashioned "Nationalised" set up; that word wasn't used. GB Energy appeals more than "nationalisation" would to me and, I would guess, other left-of-centre non-socialists.

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Oh and the message

Country first, party second

Was smart I thought.

Very good. As was the singing of God Save our Gracious King when you think of how many voters, who had been life-long Labour until the last election are quite often socially conservative. It would be appreciated by many Conservatives who may vote against their normal pattern next time.

Strange that a short time ago, the Labour party didn't have much to say for itself. People were complaining that they didn't seem to have any policies.
Now, suddenly, thanks to the recent public display of patriotism and Liz Truss' dubious move as regards taxes, they have found something to focus on. Playing the National anthem, displaying the Union Jack, copying Nick Clegg with the public display of happy families.
How patronising it all is! Are people really fooled?

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Curtaintwitcher

Strange that a short time ago, the Labour party didn't have much to say for itself. People were complaining that they didn't seem to have any policies.
Now, suddenly, thanks to the recent public display of patriotism and Liz Truss' dubious move as regards taxes, they have found something to focus on. Playing the National anthem, displaying the Union Jack, copying Nick Clegg with the public display of happy families.
How patronising it all is! Are people really fooled?

The tories fooled people.

Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes, that was unfortunate. There is plenty to criticise about Kwasi Kwarteng without resorting to that, and there is never any excuse for using race as a way of criticising someone. Still, she has had the whip removed, and I'm sure that most people will realise that she doesn't speak for the whole party.

I was impressed by Starmer's speech, but I'm not someone who needs to be convinced.

Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes she’s had the whip withdrawn.

It is called party discipline - a lesson the Tories have yet to discover.

Starmer came over very well initially, but the constant harrassment in the house on Boris was hypercritical, he did the same but got found out too late, do I don't trust him. If he ever made one valid point on any subject it would have been nice.
Corbyn, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck you can be pretty sure it's a duck. His brother and he, make good companions. Labour needs a leader in touch with modern world, who has ideas, listens to people, but they can't find one.
Liz Truss, I'm afraid no faith in her whatsoever, what a budget, that helps the top earners, they won't foster the money back, it's a disgrace. At least Boris cared about the UK, yes he made gaffs, tell me any PM that hasn't look at Tony Blair, ask any serviceman what they think of him, he got a knighthood.
I believe in rewarding hard work, helping the genuine people that need help via the benefit system, the low paid that would be better off on benefits but are doing three jobs to keep going. They are the backbone if this country and should be listened to.

I think the matter of heir Starmer and the drink at work issue needs to be looked into a bit more closely.

My son is in the constituency of Conservative North West Durham MP Richard Holden, who was the one who "called Starmer out" and campaigned vociferously in local papers and on local radio for the "case to be examined".

And the Durham Police did, at great length, and with the care for detail that the London police did for the allegations against Boris Johnson's activities. It was decided notably to not issues a fine, but to actually say, "not guilty" ie no grey area.

I totally agree with you about "Liz Truss, I'm afraid no faith in her whatsoever, what a budget, that helps the top earners, they won't foster the money back, it's a disgrace"

If the money that could have been collected from them could have just raised the basic benefit level from the grand total of £77 a week - yes, thats what people get for heating, food, clothes, buses then I'd have a small amount of respect. As it is, I feel fear for what we are heading towards for those people.

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Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes she’s had the whip withdrawn.

It is called party discipline - a lesson the Tories have yet to discover.

Too right she should have the whip withdrawn! But it should never have happened. She's an MP!

I doubt very much that given power labour MPs will be any more disciplined than the tories.

Lots of things‘shouldn’t happen’, but people being people they do.

The question is what is done about it, and Keir has shown that he won’t tolerate that sort of thing. No leader can stop part members from saying unfortunate things (Bongo bongo land? Picaninnis? Watermelon smiles? Letterbox women? It is the reaction to it that is where the discipline comes in.

Doodledog yes the reaction to it is very important.
How politicians can keep on making racial slurs/gaffes amazes me.Mr Johnson did his share, but usually when he was a journalist, as in the ones you mention above , still wrong of course.
Ms Huq is an MP and was not overheard in a winebar saying this, she was at a Labour Party fringe meeting.What many people may not realise is that racial prejudice towards black people often comes from many sources, not all of them white.
Mr Starmer did the right thing and acted quickly.

Mamardoit

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Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes she’s had the whip withdrawn.

It is called party discipline - a lesson the Tories have yet to discover.

Too right she should have the whip withdrawn! But it should never have happened. She's an MP!

I doubt very much that given power labour MPs will be any more disciplined than the tories.

I think the difference between Labour and the Tories now though Mamardroit is that because Boris himself was breaking rules all the time, he was far too libertarian when MPs did stupid or illegal things. Starmer now or as PM isn’t going to put up with that, transgressions will all be punished straight away.

Mamardoit

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Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes she’s had the whip withdrawn.

It is called party discipline - a lesson the Tories have yet to discover.

Too right she should have the whip withdrawn! But it should never have happened. She's an MP!

I doubt very much that given power labour MPs will be any more disciplined than the tories.

It's a good thing you are perfect then Marmadoit. Otherwise, the whole world would comprise people who made mistakes and were not perfect.

It was a rather bad mistake

I was pleased to read that the chair of the event where the racist comment was made, challenged the MP and was supported by the audience in doing so

DaisyAnne

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Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes she’s had the whip withdrawn.

It is called party discipline - a lesson the Tories have yet to discover.

Too right she should have the whip withdrawn! But it should never have happened. She's an MP!

I doubt very much that given power labour MPs will be any more disciplined than the tories.

It's a good thing you are perfect then Marmadoit. Otherwise, the whole world would comprise people who made mistakes and were not perfect.

I'm not an MP.

What the hell has the 'whole world' got to do with anything?

Great, intelligent, passionate PPB right now. Bravo Keir Starmer.