Labour Party policy beginning to be formed

Speech will be on BBC2 from 13.45pm.

I am not saying that Whitewave has insulted anyone, I think WW is a very sensible and pleasant poster, but I also know that people who supported the previous manifesto have been called "looney lefties* etc.
We need to come together and as the conference so far has not been disrupted by the more left wing members, they are behaving much more sensibly and with decency.

Ilovecheese

I am not saying that Whitewave has insulted anyone, I think WW is a very sensible and pleasant poster, but I also know that people who supported the previous manifesto have been called "looney lefties* etc.
We need to come together and as the conference so far has not been disrupted by the more left wing members, they are behaving much more sensibly and with decency.

I know exactly where you are coming from.

But I am very much hoping that the tide in now turning. It won’t happen overnight, but listening to Starmer’s speech I can believe that it is going to happen.

Whitewavemark2

Well, many of those claiming that labour no longer represents them helped get this Tory party into power, with all the catastrophic disasters associated with them.

So excuse me for feeling exasperated at them. We warned what would happen, but apparently they knew best.??

It is possible to agree broadly while having different views on the specifics. Sometimes party evangelists remind me of religious ones for whom it is not enough to believe in the same basic thing, you must believe in that thing in exactly the same way the evangelist does. Eventually people can give up on the overall view of those politics or that religion. Evangelists deter more than they win over.

I came out from under the duvet where I was escaping from ERGTory World, to watch Keir Starmer. Much good in the speech and very confidently given. You can feel the positive vibe and it's good for it not to be overwhelmed by infighting. That has been slow hard work for KS so very well done him.

Good to hear about a national energy company, owned by us and for our benefit (I have nothing against French taxpayers, but I was rather it was us that benefit). I do hope that he sticks to that.

Not so sure about the emphasis on home ownership though, it is not for everyone and a secure tenancy with an affordable rent is the best choice for a great many people. Looking after a property when you live alone is hard, renting can give more peace of mind, if it is run fairly.

All in all though, a good speech.

In a speech yesterday I think it was there was the promise to build more social housing. There was recognition that not everyone wants or can afford to buy their own home.

I will have a read through later I have had a quick look
Very pleased to see Rupa Huq has been suspended for her vile comments

I thought it was a wonderful speech. The most inspirational one I’ve heard at party conference since James Callaghans speech which resulted in me joining the Labour Party all those years ago. My only concern being the refusal to do any sort of deal with the SNP and I don’t see how Labour can get an overall majority now they’ve pretty much lost Scotland. Much as I understand Scotlands desire for independence I do think that we can create a better country and society if we work together. I hope that more and more people are seeing the Keir Starmer that I’ve always seen and admired. He could have easily carried on with his law work and had an easier, more comfortable life but he chose this path ( imo) to make this country a better, fairer place for us and future generations. Next weeks Conservative party conference will be interesting to say the least. I really am getting too old for all this political stuff but am prepared for one last push to get Labour elected.

Is it griping to raise valid points that worry a lot of people? You can only put your head in the sand so long, Listen to people. Whatever party you follow doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything.

Whitewavemark2

In a speech yesterday I think it was there was the promise to build more social housing. There was recognition that not everyone wants or can afford to buy their own home.

Ah, that's good. Does anyone know if they are going to give bursarys or salaries to health trainees like nurses?

Allsorts

Is it griping to raise valid points that worry a lot of people? You can only put your head in the sand so long, Listen to people. Whatever party you follow doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything.

Absolutely agree with you there. You don't have to agree with every party policy and you don't have to unconditionally admire any individual politician, you can still agree with the main thrust though.

I try not to sound to cynical but does anyone know which party Rupert Murdoch will back at the next election?

No-one has ever become Prime Minister as a result of a UK general election without the support of Rupert Murdoch (who isn't even British) since Harold Wilson was elected in 1974.

Allsorts

Is it griping to raise valid points that worry a lot of people? You can only put your head in the sand so long, Listen to people. Whatever party you follow doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything.

There’s ample evidence that Labour has listened to people Allsorts, Starmer has acquitted himself well, and demonstrated that the party leadership has been spending their time profitably, developing well thought through policies. At last there is hope that this country can return to one we can be proud of. I don’t know what you were hoping for that isn’t happening.

^I agree with Iam voters didn’t trust Corbyn, I didn’t, nothing
to do with the press.^

How can this be true? Unless you knew Jeremy Corbyn personally, all the information we had about him was through the filter of the press - much of which has subsequently been shown to be lies and misinformation.

varian Maybe he will wait to see you is likely to win first and then promise them his backing. I am not sure he is as clever and as influential as he thinks he is any more.

All the information we ever have about politicians is via the filter of the press. And that includes the revealing of ‘misinformation’.
One DD, a Labour voter since she had the vote and a keen active member of the Labour Party said she couldn’t vote Labour whilst Mr C was in charge, but would have to vote tactically instead. What chance did ordinary voters have?

Lizziedrip people do feel that they know public figures personally, without realising the subtle filters that are applied to the reporting of interviews with those figures.

Allsorts

Is it griping to raise valid points that worry a lot of people? You can only put your head in the sand so long, Listen to people. Whatever party you follow doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything.

Sorry, Allsorts but when you say things like All he was ever interested in was scoring points of Boris, when criticising the government is the job of the opposition

And

he find tgecsamevhimself until found out. Which is incomprehensible, though I suspect you're referring to partygate.

And

not interested in the man in the street, he's never been one. When everyone knows he came from a very ordinary working family

It sounds like griping, and it sounds like a tory voter's griping, based on misinformation.

Of course the right wing press did all it could to trash corbyn. They’ve done it with every labour leader
That doesn’t mean the electorate was too stupid to make up its collective mind and reject him as a future prime minister

varian

I try not to sound to cynical but does anyone know which party Rupert Murdoch will back at the next election?

No-one has ever become Prime Minister as a result of a UK general election without the support of Rupert Murdoch (who isn't even British) since Harold Wilson was elected in 1974.

I have uncharitable thoughts on this, based on his advanced age and the likelihood of him still being around. at the next GE..

Only two weeks after the Brighton bombing Corbyn invited
members of the IRA to Westminster, regardless of politics
people were grieving .

He attended a wreath laying ceremony for terrorists involved in the murder of the Olympic team, asked about it he said
‘I was there but I don’t think I was involved.

Ruth Smeeth left an anti semitism meeting after being verbally abused by a member of Momentum, following the
meeting Corbyn was filmed hugging the man,

Not misinformation

Erm.... no context though and that matters

varian

I try not to sound to cynical but does anyone know which party Rupert Murdoch will back at the next election?

No-one has ever become Prime Minister as a result of a UK general election without the support of Rupert Murdoch (who isn't even British) since Harold Wilson was elected in 1974.

I'm not sure that rule is immutable although I agree it's what we have seen. Richard Murdoch is 91. I suppose he has handed some things over but, no doubt, to people who share his views.

LizzieDrip

^I agree with Iam voters didn’t trust Corbyn, I didn’t, nothing
to do with the press.^

How can this be true? Unless you knew Jeremy Corbyn personally, all the information we had about him was through the filter of the press - much of which has subsequently been shown to be lies and misinformation.

I don't trust the majority of the current front bench. I don't need to know them to feel like this. I have seen what they do and heard what they said.

I didn't feel like that about Jeremy Corbyn, but I did come to the conclusion that he was out of date, out of touch and not strategically clever enough to win against the type of right-winger coming out of the Tory woodwork.

Ilovecheese

Whitewavemark2

In a speech yesterday I think it was there was the promise to build more social housing. There was recognition that not everyone wants or can afford to buy their own home.

Ah, that's good. Does anyone know if they are going to give bursarys or salaries to health trainees like nurses?

Surely (I really don't know) the Conference vote is not an instruction to the Leadership? I got the impression it just gives them an insight into what the membership is thinking, prepared to accept, etc.