Eddie Izzard

He.

Oops, my mistake . I thought he was always going on about women's clothes not being for women - something about they are not women's clothes they are my clothes as I paid for them. And what happened to the 'boy days and girl days' thing? That blows the whole 'born in the wrong body' idea right out of the water, doesn't it?

Oh well. A 'trannie' has even less right to be in a female loo than a transwoman, surely?

Yup. Muppet. As I vowed earlier today, I should have hidden no this thread.
These men are a bloody menace

I’m sitting here wondering how VS and Gt would cope if RH and JS had claimed to be TIM or decided to go out in dresses.
After such adamant support of all things trans and saddos like EI, would they suddenly get picky over which ones they could support and try to insist that others accept.
But along side that, in all seriousness, neither TIM or old has-beens like IE, desperate for publicity, should use female spaces for their own gratification.

FannyCornforth

I always spell fuchsia wrong

Named after Leonard Fuchs
So Fuchs with ia at the end.
Mine are still flowering well.

Glorianny

^The funny thing, Izzard says, is that she had first announced she was transgender in 2017 in the Hollywood Reporter, and nobody had taken a blind bit of notice.^
But she has never said she was transsexual?????

Perhaps nobody cared.

So - is (s)he Edie now?

s/he is 60 years old either way, so should know better than to play with women's hard won rights and those of a minority group who need a genuine representation which doesn't encroach on other people's rights

flipping heck, it's not rocket science

Buck Angel (transman) is tweeting about the importance of intersectional trans activism. Buck stresses that this involves respecting female only spaces, respecting child safeguarding, respecting homosexuality and respecting different beliefs. Sounds good.

Galaxy

Buck Angel (transman) is tweeting about the importance of intersectional trans activism. Buck stresses that this involves respecting female only spaces, respecting child safeguarding, respecting homosexuality and respecting different beliefs. Sounds good.

Yay! Perfect

Galaxy I saw Buck's post earlier. Glad you agree with Buck Angel VS Buck doesn't agree with transwomen using female toilets etc Buck describes themselves as "female transsexual living as a man"
This is a pinned tweet on Buck's account If you are a woman who grew up masculine/tomboy and now live a beautiful life as a woman, would love to hear your story. Because today you would have been fast-tracked as a "trans kid".
Still yelling Yay! Perfect VioletSky ?

It might seem strange to you Rosie but I don't write entire people off because we disagree on one facet of a thing or even more than one at, I only write off people who treat others poorly.

A toilet is not a safe space.

I won't lie to women about that

Thanks Rosie I am rubbish at links.

VioletSky

It might seem strange to you Rosie but I don't write entire people off because we disagree on one facet of a thing or even more than one at, I only write off people who treat others poorly.

A toilet is not a safe space.

I won't lie to women about that

Sorry I don't understand what you mean by A toilet is not a safe space. Do you mean it's a dangerous place or you don't agree with Buck's opinion that female toilets are for females?
Note that the first line says respects female-only spaces and categories the word 'safe' doesn't appear at all.

A toilet is not a safe space.

I won't lie to women about that

What does that mean? That it's not safe if men are allowed to use it? Or are you buying into Glorianny's idea that public loos are filled with women waiting for someone to attack?

On the whole, ones in dodgy nightclubs and car parks or other exposed areas aside, Ladies' loos are pretty safe. When they are not, it's because men have gained access, which is the point that sparked this whole thread.

I've only used the gents twice. Once at an Austrian truck stop when the Ladies was locked. I met an Austrian truck driver on my way in. He was a bit taken aback but we both said good morning and went on our way. The second time was at a concert when we had the usual massive queue for the Ladies. In the end some of us got fed up and took over the gents. As the interval was coming to an end one of the choir came in, looked a bit shocked and said "Could you ladies turn your backs for a minute because we can't start the second half till I'm back on stage" We all obliged and the second half started on time.

Doodledog

*A toilet is not a safe space.*

I won't lie to women about that

What does that mean? That it's not safe if men are allowed to use it? Or are you buying into Glorianny's idea that public loos are filled with women waiting for someone to attack?

On the whole, ones in dodgy nightclubs and car parks or other exposed areas aside, Ladies' loos are pretty safe. When they are not, it's because men have gained access, which is the point that sparked this whole thread.

Once again a misrepresentation of what I said. Really is the only way you can justify your views by misrepresenting others.?I said women need to be aware of the dangers in toilets and that one of the dangers can be groups of other women (nothing about them being "filled with women waiting to attack") All young women using clubs and pubs should know this. Other dangers depend on the place, the time of day and other factors. Telling women that predatory men will be deterred by the sign on a door is perpetuating a falsehood. Pretending that transwomen are anything to do with assaults in toilets is detracting from the real issues. That there are places and circumstances that make women vulnerable and there are ways they can better protect themselves and each other. Unfortunately some are far more concerned with their personal vendettas and campaigns against transpeople than with giving women the proper information about the dangers.
Of course most loos are safe which is why the threat supposedly posed by transwomen is so ridiculous. The loos which are not safe are just as dangerous for them.

Meh, nothing original

Please do start campaigning for toilets trans people can use in whatever çapaxity feels comfortable for you and them

Then maybe we will see something new and interesting here

Galaxy

Buck Angel (transman) is tweeting about the importance of intersectional trans activism. Buck stresses that this involves respecting female only spaces, respecting child safeguarding, respecting homosexuality and respecting different beliefs. Sounds good.

Fantastic! No sneaky use of the word woman to avoid allowing men to use female only spaces like some do.
Unless Buck respecting different beliefs includes believing you can change sex.

Mollygo

Galaxy

Buck Angel (transman) is tweeting about the importance of intersectional trans activism. Buck stresses that this involves respecting female only spaces, respecting child safeguarding, respecting homosexuality and respecting different beliefs. Sounds good.

Fantastic! No sneaky use of the word woman to avoid allowing men to use female only spaces like some do.
Unless Buck respecting different beliefs includes believing you can change sex.

No Buck is intelligent and despite looking 100% like a bloke says nobody changes sex. Doesn't agree with the 'trans kids' affirmation steamroller, believes homosexuality is same sex attraction. Knows that the powerful drugs taken to build the extensive muscle mass and male characteristics will shorten their life.

No, Buck Angel doesn't believe you can change sex.

VioletSky

Meh, nothing original

Please do start campaigning for toilets trans people can use in whatever çapaxity feels comfortable for you and them

Then maybe we will see something new and interesting here

Are you unable to elucidate what you meant in your original post then?

Feel free to start the campaign. Women campaigned for our rights to protected female spaces and categories, do we have to do the heavy lifting for everybody else as well?

Gloriannytri you are so funny. Your arguments don’t make sense but you persist in putting them forward and decrying others’ opinions.
Males are not female, and never can be. If no males went into female safe spaces there would be no need for this thread.
A sign might not stop a determined saddo like IE, or a TIM determined to cause harm.
It needs to be a criminal offence so there is punishment for invading female safe spaces.

I’m sure you’ll come up with the “who’s going to check?” argument again, but if there really are those myriad TIM who, according to various posters on various threads, have been using female toilets unnoticed for ages, you’ve answered the point.
If they have been indistinguishable, unthreatening in behaviour, that’s why they (if they exist) have gone unnoticed and unchallenged. But the activities of some TIM and publicity seekers like IE will make that less possible. So not only do they and their fans harm women, but also harm other TIM.
Do they, or you care?
Not a bit.

That's feminism Rosie

So yes.

I mean, then the hours and hours and hours saying the exact same thing on gransnet but claiming its soneone elses problem to actually do something productive could achieve something instead.

I do care about safe spaces and all decent human beings enjoying the same rights and privileges as an intersectional feminist so I do what I can as part of that group

Also of you have ever heard of ActionAid... Well, intersectional femisim at its finest and lots and lots of ways to achieve positive things. Really wonderful organisation

Doesn't have to be big, involve money or even hours volunteering, just to share and bring awareness to issues women and girls face is enough

My point, Glorianny is that the odds on being attacked by a woman in a public loo (or anywhere else, for that matter) are long. In schools, dodgy nightclubs or areas with gangs they will shorten, but most women are in far more danger from men than other women.

Denying that, or suggesting that because there are some, rare cases of women attacking women it is ok to add to that risk by allowing men into female spaces is a spurious argument.

I still don't know what VS's point was. Or why anyone needs to aspire to the same rights and privileges as intersectional feminists - I didn't know that they had more rights than anyone else, but who knows? I don't know what ActionAid has to do with Eddie Izzard using a women's loo either, but this thread does get rather surreal in the hours of darkness.