Eddie Izzard

No one says all transwoman are dangerous just that they are of the same risk of offending as men because well they are men. It's also impossible to know which men are dangerous. Well unless you are Layla Moran and can see into souls

I find the idea that all trans people are potentially dangerous people women need protection from ridiculous and I have clearly let that be known. Nobody, but nobody has said all transpeople are dangerous to women. What has been said ad infinitum is that some males are dangerous, and as they don't carry forehead tattoos informing us which ones are dangerous, in a few situations we need to exclude them all, and that includes transwomen who remain male.

My husband and sons are decent men, maybe that's why they wouldn't dream of seeking to breach a single sex female area. And I don't want other women's decent husbands and sons in those areas when I'm in them.

VS
1. I find the idea that all trans people are potentially dangerous people women need protection from ridiculous and I have clearly let that be known.
???

VS you say this as if you are the only person who believes it. That isn’t true, except in your mind.

What you might understand, with careful reading even on GN, is that many believe the actions of some TIM and males in dresses is not only harmful to females, but also to all TIM and males in dresses.
What causes the concern about TIM?
Is it the distress of females who are endangered by some TIM or the actions of those TIM who do the endangering and in doing so, also harm the image of the many TIM who don’t?

2. I have always advocated for safe spaces for women who need them.
Yes but you hedge your statement by
1. using the word ‘women’ instead of females because of the corruption of the meaning of the word women, by males and some females like yourself means you can include males in that.
2. By using ‘women who need them’ you put the onus on females to complain about males in female safe spaces, instead of allowing females to have those safe spaces as a right.

You flounce quite a lot now Violetsky that’s the second thread in a couple of days you ve decided to flounce off

We are discussing toilets Rosie

Yes sure do away with gender norms, brilliant love it.

Possibly without any kind of gender norms, some trans people will not find a need to be trans sure, maybe

That won't help trans people who want to change theiŕ sexual organs to align with who they are on the inside but let's just pretend it does just for a second..

We live in a utopian society with absolutely none of the gender norms perpetuated by both women and men.

Trans people have vanished somehow because the people who thought they know more about the entirety of biology, endocrinology and genes than the medical community as a whole were actually right in one instance...

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I thought you’d flounced ?

Meh.

I'm going to flounce again now

I might skip or possibly cartwheel off the thread if I feel like it

That's the beauty of the Internet

Anyone who wants to stand for parliament must be willing to represent all of their constituents. Eddie Izzard obviously disregards the feelings of some religious communities. This would not make him a good MP.
He may not himself agree with some religious conventions but an MP must be willing to take them into account when dealing with his constituents.

I will repeat

anyone with a penis, no matter how they dress or identify has no place in a woman’s lavatory or safe space however they choose to dress or whatever they identify as

Not rocket science, just simple common sense.

How have we lost the insight to appreciate the only reason he insisted on going to the women's toilets in the first place was to make a point. The point that he could, because that day he identified as female (apparently) as he'd put some lipstick on and was wearing his lady clothes.

It's male privilege in plain sight. It sends a message that if men say they are female, they can do as they like and women must accommodate them. A bit like men who wear a dress and then insist lesbians sleep with them. Never mind women have consent about their own bodies anymore, it's transphobic.

How have we even got here? It's just not on

How have we even got here?

Because they are being enabled.
Just like the Emperor was until a little boy pointed out the truth.

JaneJudge and Callistemon21 I agree with both of your posts.

I haven't read the last 2 pages yet but it's good to know you're getting plenty of exercise, with all the flouncing etc VS.

(This isn't actually the 'VioletSky Show' tho, you know. So you don't really have to make a speech about leaving for a few minutes.)

If Jean Hatchet hadn't publicised the photo, of Izzard coming out of the toilet into the hall full of people, he would have made much less impression with his lady-pee & territory marking.
He must be so pleased.

FarNorth

I haven't read the last 2 pages yet but it's good to know you're getting plenty of exercise, with all the flouncing etc VS.

(This isn't actually the 'VioletSky Show' tho, you know. So you don't really have to make a speech about leaving for a few minutes.)

Just to let you know, I'm going off to do some crocheting to soothe my nerves

JaneJudge

How have we lost the insight to appreciate the only reason he insisted on going to the women's toilets in the first place was to make a point. The point that he could, because that day he identified as female (apparently) as he'd put some lipstick on and was wearing his lady clothes.

It's male privilege in plain sight. It sends a message that if men say they are female, they can do as they like and women must accommodate them. A bit like men who wear a dress and then insist lesbians sleep with them. Never mind women have consent about their own bodies anymore, it's transphobic.

How have we even got here? It's just not on

Oh Jane, did you miss Glorianny's explanation? The likelihood is he needed a nice big mirror to check his hair and makeup. I'm sure otherwise he would have respected women and used the mens....... or maybe not!

No it's not on, and eventually there has to be a backlash, and regrettably those transpeople that have respected women and their need for single sex areas will get caught by it. As Callistemon says, they're being enabled, but sunlight is coming. Safeguarding must return. Children being encouraged to mutilate their bodies, put on medication for life, being "converted" from being homosexual, it fills me with despair. We have to stop it.

When a man says he's a woman he's believed. When a woman says he's a man, she's not. It shows that the believers know exactly who the man is. Not my quote incidentally, I saw it somewhere and it stuck in my head.

Callistemon21

^How have we even got here?^

Because they are being enabled.
Just like the Emperor was until a little boy pointed out the truth.

And sadly, that enablement is supported not just by TIM but by those like VS, who dress up their lack of care for females by only referring to ‘women’, the use of which has been increasingly corrupted since 2004.

Violetsky the idea of “knowing who you are inside” where do you imagine it resides, In the brain the mind the psyche the spirit in cells organs blood. Do you imagine it’s constant or fluid and evolving, is it created, constructed, And why should this idea of knowing who you are inside command that others bow down to Any individuals Egoic Imagio.

Why can't transwomen use male toilets?

Some men dress as women for sexual reasons, which is fine - but there is a time and place for that, and it's not in the public arena.

Others feel as though they should have been women, which is a shame, but life doesn't always give us what we want, and it is unreasonable to expect the rest of society to collude in their fantasies when doing so poses a threat to women - even if that threat is not from the transwomen themselves. If transwomen want to dress and act in a way that they see as 'female', that's fair enough, but it won't alter their biological reality, which is that they are male, and because of that reality they should, IMO, use the Gents. With the other men. When they leave they can go back to the behaviour they perceive as 'female' and expect others to go along with it, as it harms nobody and puts nobody at risk.

Having men in the Ladies is a risk, even though not all men are a threat. It is the inability of anyone to know which men pose a threat and which don't (whatever they are wearing) which is the issue, and if one man is able to use the Ladies with impunity, there is no way to stop the others.

What is so complicated about that? And why shouldn't biological males use the male facilities?

And if Izzard doesn’t dress in his ‘lady clothes’ for ‘sexual reasons’ I’ll eat my fuschia netted fascinator

I always spell fuchsia wrong

Your fuchsia netted fascinator is safe!

Whatever his reasons, Izzard has always insisted that he is neither transvestite nor transexual - he just has 'girl days' and 'boy days', so why the need to us the Ladies?

No, sorry Doodledog, that’s not right. He used to call himself ‘a trannie’
And more recently he’s been banging on that he is ‘a male lesbian’
He doesn’t have a clue what he’s on about, the poor love.
This has been going on for years

The funny thing, Izzard says, is that she had first announced she was transgender in 2017 in the Hollywood Reporter, and nobody had taken a blind bit of notice.
But she has never said she was transsexual?????