Eddie Izzard

I haven't met any people who get off and get erections from pissing on lady's loo seats. The transpeople I know have been so welcoming and kind I really can't think any of them would behave in such ways

No one was saying the men in the ladies toilets were trans people, hence why you cannot get over you own narrow minded view of what other people are concerned about

* should read in response to the needs of

woman is a social construct

No. Woman is an adult human female. Defined in law. A human female has XX chromosomes. Eddie is XY — male. It's biology and it's easily defined and scientifically testable.

Gender is a social construct, an internalised individual and unverifiable feeling. It's constantly changing and indefinable.

Women is a social construct .

What is the difference between Izzard and Starmer? Could it be clothes and make up. 1950 's stereotypes is now the definition of women. So regressive so old fashioned.

are you a chocolate bar or are you mobile phone? no one even knows Galaxy

Galaxy

Women is a social construct .

I know!

I have been working with tiny human beings (and they had the upper hand) so I feel like a wrung out dish cloth Jane.

Damn I don't look like, nor dress like Eddie Izzard. I don't wear makeup other than a dab of mascara, never wore bright pink lippy even when I plastered makeup on in my youth. I don't paint my nails, don't wear high heeled boots and short skirts. Am I a man?

As for Eddie Izzard she was dressed as a woman, she identifies as a woman, woman is a social construct and so she uses the facilities provided for the use of people who comply with the social construct that is woman.
So dressing and identifying as a 'construct' makes you become it? I'm guessing that duchesses are social constructs? I quite fancy being one, and I have a posh frock upstairs. Does this mean that I get to use the VIP lounge from now on? Just call me Your Grace.

You are entitled to believe those facilities are provided for the female sex, which is different, but quite how that will be policed or the restrictions applied I have no idea. I tend not to favour laws and rules which are unenforceable.
Well yes, that is different. Me being a duchess is a fantasy, but me being a woman is a biological reality. As for the policing thing - I tend to favour laws and rules that make sense and benefit society. The police and lawyers can work out how to make people comply. That's not my area of expertise at all, but it is theirs, so I'd happily leave them to it. Or the Nudge Unit would be able to sort it in no time, I expect.

Glorianny

Mollygo
What a weird post Glorianny.
Are you saying that Eddy’s aim is to promote division? Knowing this, and listing all his prejudices, you still support his right to infringe female rights?
Mollygo it is difficult to keep explaining what is happening on a thread. We are discussing the article by Brendan O'Neil, not Eddie Izzard.
The Title says Eddie Izzard , but your neat little response is your usual avoidance tactic so you don’t have to answer my question.
As usual.

Glorianny said woman is a social construct

??? I wish I’d know that years ago! I could have socially constructed myself out of period pains, menopause symptoms and currently awaiting a hysterectomy, all by simply reconstructing myself as a man.

Omg, I have just never read anything so ridiculous.

SueDonim

Glorianny said woman is a social construct

??? I wish I’d know that years ago! I could have socially constructed myself out of period pains, menopause symptoms and currently awaiting a hysterectomy, all by simply reconstructing myself as a man.

Omg, I have just never read anything so ridiculous.

Me neither, although I can’t be completely sure with Glorianny.
She doesn’t answer questions either.

Mollygo

Glorianny

Mollygo
What a weird post Glorianny.
Are you saying that Eddy’s aim is to promote division? Knowing this, and listing all his prejudices, you still support his right to infringe female rights?
Mollygo it is difficult to keep explaining what is happening on a thread. We are discussing the article by Brendan O'Neil, not Eddie Izzard.
The Title says Eddie Izzard , but your neat little response is your usual avoidance tactic so you don’t have to answer my question.
As usual.

Honestly Mollygo I really don't know what to say, you are confused over the article which was the OP and the article written by Brendan O'Neil which is the subject of the later discussion. I can't keep explaining things to you.
I'm afraid I can't answer questions I really don't understand.

As for the policing thing - I tend to favour laws and rules that make sense and benefit society. The police and lawyers can work out how to make people comply.
But how would a law restricting male entrance to a woman's toilet be policed? It's been said on this thread that some people who are actually female don't conform to what might be considered the norms of women. So those women would suffer, how does that benefit society? The problem with introducing restrictions and regulations that are virtually unenforceable is that they create a feeling of false security and at the same time can cause pain and distress to people they were never intended to hurt. I think abdicating responsibility for a change in the law you think is necessary is simply unacceptable.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzR3Id6yeOc

Statement by Fred Sargeant who really was at Stonewall, who was violently attacked by a group of TRAs to the point of needing hospital treatment. Aren't they just stunning and brave!

I should add it's about 8 minutes long. I know Doodledog got criticised on some previous threads for "too long" posts that challenged concentration.

Glorianny, you were the only person who said you used the male toilets on this thread?

Glorianny

*As for the policing thing - I tend to favour laws and rules that make sense and benefit society. The police and lawyers can work out how to make people comply.*
But how would a law restricting male entrance to a woman's toilet be policed? It's been said on this thread that some people who are actually female don't conform to what might be considered the norms of women. So those women would suffer, how does that benefit society? The problem with introducing restrictions and regulations that are virtually unenforceable is that they create a feeling of false security and at the same time can cause pain and distress to people they were never intended to hurt. I think abdicating responsibility for a change in the law you think is necessary is simply unacceptable.

Well you may think that, but I have never before been asked how I think a law should be policed - the system seems to find ways to do so without my input.

* Are you saying that Eddy’s aim is to promote division? Knowing this, and listing all his prejudices, you still support his right to infringe female rights?*

Never mind Glorianny, if it’s too complex or too late at night (or you simply can’t answer my question), I’ll just enjoy my moment of being correct about your support for his right to infringe female rights.

Glorianny are you aware of problems with the single-sex toilet convention before the last few years?
I'm not .
"Abusive men will go in anyway" we hear. Maybe some will, and do, but many will be put off by awareness of the social convention (especially if they may be seen going in) so it seems like a bad idea to tell all men that they are welcome in women's toilets.

The big problem now is that people are afraid to challenge men in a Ladies loo.

When my friend was sexually assaulted men didn’t go into the Ladies, which is how her attacker was stopped before he actually raped her. Someone saw a man go in and raised the alarm. If it had been commonplace for men to be there, he might not have been caught, and who knows what would have happened to my friend. Not wanting men in women’s spaces is not about transphobia - it is about men (however they ‘identify’) in women’s spaces.

JaneJudge

Glorianny, you were the only person who said you used the male toilets on this thread?

I’ve used the men’s toilets in JB’s (RIP) in Dudley a couple of times.
Now there’s an education

I'm going to put my hand up and say I have used the men's toilets in complete desperation. My husband has guarded the door to alert men that I am in there and made sure the urinals were clear before I emerged from the cubicle. Believe me, I've had to be desperate, the smell...!

icanhandthemback I think that's a common theme, using the men's in desperation after a male has checked and then stands guard. Glorianny said she and friends checked no men were in there or at the urinals before entering. Eddie Izzard types just swan in to women's toilets as fully entitled and caring not one jot about any women in there.