Eddie Izzard

Does GN mark some threads not to appear on "Active"? I posted on the Mermaids one and it still doesn't appear as active when I select that.

Was reading recently Caitlyn Jenner's account of an incident in a Vermont High School where a trans/girl was using the female locker room with their female athletic team mates. Under Vermont State Law students can play sport and use the locker rooms of whichever gender they identify with. Allegedly the trans gender person made an inappropriate comment whilst they were all changing which the female team mates objected to. The upshot, they, the team mates have all been banned from this area and dress and undress in the small bathroom, where the toilets are, whilst the trans person has the entire locker room to themselves.

How did life become this complicated we only have to rewind a few years before such happenings would be considered bizarre. and outrageous

Rosie51

Does GN mark some threads not to appear on "Active"? I posted on the Mermaids one and it still doesn't appear as active when I select that.

It does just now.

Rosie51

icanhandthemback I think that's a common theme, using the men's in desperation after a male has checked and then stands guard. Glorianny said she and friends checked no men were in there or at the urinals before entering. Eddie Izzard types just swan in to women's toilets as fully entitled and caring not one jot about any women in there.

Sorry, Rosie51, I was responding to JaneJudge's post and I thought I should be honest out of fairness to Glorianny! It wasn't in defence of Eddie Izzard although maybe the two ladies accompanying EI were doing a similar thing to my husband.

Rosie51 I just posted on that thread and it came up at 7th on the active list, although some of the posts ahead of it had been updated a couple of minutes previously.
I'd guess it's just GN sloppiness, not deliberate. ?

icanhandthemback

Rosie51

icanhandthemback I think that's a common theme, using the men's in desperation after a male has checked and then stands guard. Glorianny said she and friends checked no men were in there or at the urinals before entering. Eddie Izzard types just swan in to women's toilets as fully entitled and caring not one jot about any women in there.

Sorry, Rosie51, I was responding to JaneJudge's post and I thought I should be honest out of fairness to Glorianny! It wasn't in defence of Eddie Izzard although maybe the two ladies accompanying EI were doing a similar thing to my husband.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were. I was agreeing! I've used the men's in pure desperation, once in a country type setting where it was a stone 'hut' and the ladies was obviously situated further away and out of sight. And once to my embarrassment when desperation made me take my eyes off the ball and I entered the men's by mistake. Such desperation I didn't even notice the two urinals I'd run past to get to the cubicle. Not until I was exiting, noticed them and then startled the poor chap who was just about to enter. Lots of "sorries" from him and me as I was reassuring him I was the one who had got it wrong!

And once to my embarrassment when desperation made me take my eyes off the ball and I entered the men's by mistake.

Oh yes, been there and worn the tee shirt but most times I have met a man exiting so realised my mistake. Having a irritable bladder and bowel is destined to lead me to desperation!

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were.

Thank you for clarifying.

Rosie51

Does GN mark some threads not to appear on "Active"? I posted on the Mermaids one and it still doesn't appear as active when I select that.

Hi. The Active List hasn’t worked properly or consistently for a couple of years now.
The Hip Replacement thread rarely appears in Active.
There was one thread that never appeared in the list (a totally innocuous one)
At least four threads have been created about ‘disappearing’ threads under Site Stuff.
HQ have been contacted numerous times too

Rosie51

icanhandthemback I think that's a common theme, using the men's in desperation after a male has checked and then stands guard. Glorianny said she and friends checked no men were in there or at the urinals before entering. Eddie Izzard types just swan in to women's toilets as fully entitled and caring not one jot about any women in there.

If you read the article it says quite clearly that two women accompanied Eddie and opened the doors for her. It is also unnecessarily rude about the two women who might have simply been doing a job they were paid to do. However as usual in efforts to discredit transpeople women who don't behave in the proscribed way can be chucked under the bus, which shows how much feminism is really involved in this.

Are you suggesting there wasn't a men's toilet Eddie could use, and that's why the women were assuring him the women's was clear? The other one's got bells on!

It’s right at the top now Rosie

Glorianny I disagree the only thing being chucked under a bus is the bloody hard won rights of natal born women.

Eddie Izzard using the female lavatory and all the associates publicity is the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny I disagree the only thing being chucked under a bus is the bloody hard won rights of natal born women.

Eddie Izzard using the female lavatory and all the associates publicity is the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

So it's OK to condemn two women you don't know who were perhaps simply doing a job they were paid for (and badly needed the money from), and acting under instruction, for not conforming with your personal views. Well that's clear then. In the gender critical utopia only women who conform to the accepted imposed norms will be considered. The rest can b..... off.

And all this using the gents in an emergency will have to stop. When toilets are policed you will just have to wet yourself.

Glorianny

And all this using the gents in an emergency will have to stop. When toilets are policed you will just have to wet yourself.

Fair enough, a small price to pay to keep women and children safe.

Glorianny it was Eddie Izzard’s fault 100% for asking the two women to escort him into the Female Lavatories.

I would be grateful if you wouldn’t put words into my posts that I haven’t, as nowhere have I condemned his two escorts

Glorianny

And all this using the gents in an emergency will have to stop. When toilets are policed you will just have to wet yourself.

A price worth paying to keep my daughter, daughters-in-law, granddaughters and any other natal born woman.

-safe

Izzard is a well known cross-dresser (let's leave whether he is a 'trannie', a 'transexual' 'non-binary' or whatever for now).

He was at a venue where everyone knew who he was, and in any case couldn't pass for a woman in a howling gale.

Had he used the Gents, his cover wasn't ever going to be blown, was it? This was a deliberate way to make some sort of point. not an awkward moment when someone trying to 'pass' has to decide between using the wrong loo and outing themselves.

I do have sympathy with transwomen who who are in that situation. Some are mentally fragile (not all, before I am pounced on) and would suffer if they had to 'expose' their real sex, however obvious it may be to everyone present. Spending ages on your make-up, choosing an outfit carefully, perfecting mannerisms etc then having to use the male loo can't be an easy situation. I get it. But that shouldn't be a problem for women to solve. The fact that a small number of people are in this position is unfortunate, but it is not my problem. It enrages me when people say ' if you don't like men in the Ladies, what would you do about it? Where do you think they should go?'

I have no real idea, but even if I had I have no power to put it into place. Why would I spend time and effort coming up with an answer to a difficult problem that is not of my making? It is a male problem - let men (or transwomen) solve it, or leave it to the politicians whose job it is to legislate, and who have think-tanks, access to experts and far more data at their disposal than I do.

If anyone wants to tell me that my attitude is 'unkind' or selfish, please think about whether you would feel the same if a man said similar. How many 'female problems' do most of them spend time solving (unless there is a monetary advantage or sales opportunity, that is)?

Eddie Izzard using the female lavatory and all the associates publicity
Didn't he used to be a comedian years ago?
Is this all self-publicity because his star was waning because he most certainly isn't doing transgender people any favours whatsoever.

Doodledog

Izzard is a well known cross-dresser (let's leave whether he is a 'trannie', a 'transexual' 'non-binary' or whatever for now).

He was at a venue where everyone knew who he was, and in any case couldn't pass for a woman in a howling gale.

Had he used the Gents, his cover wasn't ever going to be blown, was it? This was a deliberate way to make some sort of point. not an awkward moment when someone trying to 'pass' has to decide between using the wrong loo and outing themselves.

I do have sympathy with transwomen who who are in that situation. Some are mentally fragile (not all, before I am pounced on) and would suffer if they had to 'expose' their real sex, however obvious it may be to everyone present. Spending ages on your make-up, choosing an outfit carefully, perfecting mannerisms etc then having to use the male loo can't be an easy situation. I get it. But that shouldn't be a problem for women to solve. The fact that a small number of people are in this position is unfortunate, but it is not my problem. It enrages me when people say ' if you don't like men in the Ladies, what would you do about it? Where do you think they should go?'

I have no real idea, but even if I had I have no power to put it into place. Why would I spend time and effort coming up with an answer to a difficult problem that is not of my making? It is a male problem - let men (or transwomen) solve it, or leave it to the politicians whose job it is to legislate, and who have think-tanks, access to experts and far more data at their disposal than I do.

If anyone wants to tell me that my attitude is 'unkind' or selfish, please think about whether you would feel the same if a man said similar. How many 'female problems' do most of them spend time solving (unless there is a monetary advantage or sales opportunity, that is)?

I don't think your view is unkind. I do think it is irresponsible to imagine that it would be possible to implement any act which stopped someone entering a public toilet. The clue is in the word "public". No one polices them, some have a little regulation in the form of CCTV cameras at entrances. Some have nothing. Even if it were possible to arrest and charge any transwoman with entering a woman's toilet how many cis women would have to be challenged in the process, and how would they prove their birth gender? Even then how would that make any woman safer. It is illegal to assault women, but as has been said many times men have accessed toilets and assaulted women. If a man is prepared to break the law and assault a woman, a law telling him he couldn't enter a toilet would be unlikely to deter him. All legislation could do is make every woman's life more difficult and lull some women into a false sense of security. Forgive me if I regard abdicating responsibility for that as unacceptable.

No-one 'polices' the fact that it is illegal to take a gun into a bank, but we all know that there will be consequences if we do, and people don't do it. Most people wouldn't want to, and I can't think of many good reasons to take a gun to a bank (popping in to cash a cheque on the way to a grouse shoot?) but the point stands.

Nobody 'polices' all sorts of things in the way you describe it , but society relies on people respecting the rules, social consequences if they are broken (eg queue jumping) and ultimately sanctions if you are caught, however unlikely that might seem.

Given his high-profile status as (for want of a better word) a man in women's clothing, why do you think that EI used the Ladies on that day and in those circumstances, Glorianny?

Oh, and why 'irresponsible'? It is not my responsibility to abdicate, which was a more important point than the absence of routine 'policing' of lavatories.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny I disagree the only thing being chucked under a bus is the bloody hard won rights of natal born women.

Eddie Izzard using the female lavatory and all the associates publicity is the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

So it's OK to condemn two women you don't know who were perhaps simply doing a job they were paid for (and badly needed the money from), and acting under instruction, for not conforming with your personal views. Well that's clear then. In the gender critical utopia only women who conform to the accepted imposed norms will be considered. The rest can b..... off.

What evidence do you have that they were paid? What evidence do you have that they badly needed the money?

The usual hyperbolic TRA rant about irrelevancies, I see. Distract, deflect, blame.

By gender-critical utopia you mean normal life for women until around 2010. That was the point when more and more cross-dressing men started demanding access to women's spaces. We just want a return to the status quo before men's rights activists and autogynephiles started disrupting it. As Brendan O'Neill says, decent men don't invade women's private space. It's only the dodgy disrespectful ones who do.

Glorianny
If a man is prepared to break the law and assault a woman, a law telling him he couldn't enter a toilet would be unlikely to deter him.

Same old, same old.

The usual hyperbolic TRA rant about irrelevancies, I see. Distract, deflect, blame.

It’s a good point MargotLedbetter.

All legislation could do is make every woman's life more difficult and lull some women into a false sense of security.
How does it do that?
(Don’t worry, you don’t have to answer.)

Forgive me if I regard abdicating responsibility. . .
You appear to abdicate responsibility for everything that makes females feel safer, so no change there.

Incidentally people usually ask for forgiveness for doing or saying something wrong, with the intention of not repeating their actions.
Is that really what you’re asking? ???