Eddie Izzard

Glorianny

Rosie51

Glorianny Mollygo after so many posts do you still not recognise there is a difference beween gender and sex?
and do you not recognise that public toilets (and other single sex areas) are labeled by sex not some amorphous 'gender feel'?

As far as I know no one at present checks your sex as you enter a toilet. I realise some might want to try to, but they can't and don't.

No, it's thought that most people will be honest enough to use the correct facility. You obviously agree Eddie doesn't fall into that category.

Nobody said that EI is, has links with or has been accused of paedophilia. You have claimed to misunderstand analogies before, but I can’t believe you really think that that was what was said or suggested - attacking FN is just a useful diversion from the topic of conversation.

If EI can use the Ladies, so can any man, whether it’s Harmless Henry, Nice Norman or the Dalai Lama. Unfortunately so can Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. Whether any of them are dressed in a tux or a frock isn’t the point - the Ladies is open to men, and is no longer a safe space.

How is that difficult to understand?

but we all know he is a man, he isn't a random

Glorianny

I suppose if she hadn't done it so openly she would have been accused of trying to hide her gender identity.
Anything to criticise.

Why couldn't Eddie use the toilet that matches his sex? Why did he need to use the Ladies unless it was to make a point? It was like any male animal, marking his territory, asserting his maleness. Women, real women, don't seem to need to do this.

Rosie51

Glorianny Mollygo after so many posts do you still not recognise there is a difference beween gender and sex?
and do you not recognise that public toilets (and other single sex areas) are labeled by sex not some amorphous 'gender feel'?

As far as I know no one at present checks your sex as you enter a toilet. I realise some might want to try to, but they can't and don't.

King Charles is a man so just as unwelcome in women's toilets any other man including Eddie Izzard, Glorianny.
I don't know why you seem to be finding this difficult to understand.

well he went in the toilet with two other women to accompany him, so I think it is worth mentioning actually

and it is actually part of the point and issue anyway

otherwise what is the point of women's rights and safe spaces and anything else##

poor old bloody Sheddie

I suppose if she hadn't done it so openly she would have been accused of trying to hide her gender identity.
Anything to criticise.

Glorianny Mollygo after so many posts do you still not recognise there is a difference beween gender and sex?
and do you not recognise that public toilets (and other single sex areas) are labeled by sex not some amorphous 'gender feel'?

Oh Glorianny I do, but you seem to think claiming to be a different gender entitles you claim the rights of being a different sex.
It doesn’t.

JaneJudge

Glorianny

JaneJudge

There are lots of sexually dysfunctional behaviours and conditions that affect men who are interested in dressing as women and entering female only spaces, it's not just paedophilia

If this is another reference to the absolutely disproven theory of autogynaephilia do little reading about the subject it has been largely disproved.

I've done lots of reading on the subject and I have experience and knowledge within care settings where men have jobs to access vulnerable women to gain sexual pleasure. Maybe you could read up on this too

We can't just pretend everything is ok and applaud this kind of behaviour. I'm sure as someone with entitlement he could have just had a private toilet within the facility, he was making a point, One which some of us feel is a vulgar and exploitative

I wonder why anyone feels the need to introduce abusive relationships in care settings into a discussion about someone openly, and carefully-no other woman could have entered without knowing Eddie was there-using a female toilet.
It seems to me that the reasons really are being dredged up.

Glorianny

JaneJudge

There are lots of sexually dysfunctional behaviours and conditions that affect men who are interested in dressing as women and entering female only spaces, it's not just paedophilia

If this is another reference to the absolutely disproven theory of autogynaephilia do little reading about the subject it has been largely disproved.

And the evidence of this disproved theory? Gender identity is a theory there's not one scrap of evidence of its existence other than in the minds of its devotees. I suspect you were the poster trisher who often regaled us with using the mens loos. Any thought given to the men at the urinals who may have preferred not to have a woman walk past them? Do you have no respect for anyone other than those of whom you approve?

Glorianny

JaneJudge

There are lots of sexually dysfunctional behaviours and conditions that affect men who are interested in dressing as women and entering female only spaces, it's not just paedophilia

If this is another reference to the absolutely disproven theory of autogynaephilia do little reading about the subject it has been largely disproved.

I've done lots of reading on the subject and I have experience and knowledge within care settings where men have jobs to access vulnerable women to gain sexual pleasure. Maybe you could read up on this too

We can't just pretend everything is ok and applaud this kind of behaviour. I'm sure as someone with entitlement he could have just had a private toilet within the facility, he was making a point, One which some of us feel is a vulgar and exploitative

Mollygo

Does EI claim to have gender issues? I’m sure I’ve read that he sometimes likes to dress as a woman and sometimes as the man he is but I’ve never read that he wishes to change sex. I wish you’d told me Glorianny. As for your respect for your gender critical label . . . I must have missed that too.
Eddie shouldn’t have been in female toilets. No one has said that he is like RH or JS, but as FarNorth puts it

*When 'those two' were still seen as lovable entertainers you'd have been happy to accept them as women.*

Mollygo after so many posts do you still not recognise there is a difference beween gender and sex?

Mollygo

Does EI claim to have gender issues? I’m sure I’ve read that he sometimes likes to dress as a woman and sometimes as the man he is but I’ve never read that he wishes to change sex. I wish you’d told me Glorianny. As for your respect for your gender critical label . . . I must have missed that too.
Eddie shouldn’t have been in female toilets. No one has said that he is like RH or JS, but as FarNorth puts it

*When 'those two' were still seen as lovable entertainers you'd have been happy to accept them as women.*

As I said one of those lovable entertainers had a close relationship with our new king. I find that far more worrying.

Callistemon21

^So because someone has gender issues and chooses to dress and present as a different gender their fundraising must be linked with paedophiles^

That is not what was said at all and you must know that.

Eddie has also raised thousands for charity running marathons.
By all means criticise the gender choice she has made, but if you have to do so why not acknowledge the achievements of the person you are writing about?

It is totally and absolutely irrelevant is the point which FarNorth made.

It is quite possible to say something is irrelevant without introducing the names of convicted paedophiles.
Still nothing to say about KC?

Does EI claim to have gender issues? I’m sure I’ve read that he sometimes likes to dress as a woman and sometimes as the man he is but I’ve never read that he wishes to change sex. I wish you’d told me Glorianny. As for your respect for your gender critical label . . . I must have missed that too.
Eddie shouldn’t have been in female toilets. No one has said that he is like RH or JS, but as FarNorth puts it

When 'those two' were still seen as lovable entertainers you'd have been happy to accept them as women.

JaneJudge

There are lots of sexually dysfunctional behaviours and conditions that affect men who are interested in dressing as women and entering female only spaces, it's not just paedophilia

If this is another reference to the absolutely disproven theory of autogynaephilia do little reading about the subject it has been largely disproved.

FarNorth

^FarNorth what a disgusting post. No one has ever suggested Eddie has ever behaved as those two have.^

Glorianny I stated that I was not suggesting anything about Izzard.
The point is, that none of those or any other admirable traits can guarantee that someone is trustworthy.
When 'those two' were still seen as lovable entertainers you'd have been happy to accept them as women.

If you are happy with mixed-sex toilets Glorianny that's up to you .
Those of us (the majority, I'd guess) who want single-sex toilets & other places, would like those places to actually be single-sex.

I refer you to my comment about King Charles. A man closely linked with a paedophile but who most would accept as a valuable philanthropist
Are you saying someone who wears dress and uses female toilets is less of a philanthropist? I can think of loads of reasons you would do. Better mirrors for checking your make up for example.

So because someone has gender issues and chooses to dress and present as a different gender their fundraising must be linked with paedophiles

That is not what was said at all and you must know that.

Eddie has also raised thousands for charity running marathons.
By all means criticise the gender choice she has made, but if you have to do so why not acknowledge the achievements of the person you are writing about?

It is totally and absolutely irrelevant is the point which FarNorth made.

I find the attempts to link gender change with sexual assault and paedophilia absolutely abhorrent.

I wasn't doing that.
I was linking being male with those things, based on well known facts.

The point is that Izzard isn't the only man wishing to encroach on women's rights in this way.
And no-one can know the motives of any of them.
Izzard has cross-dressed and used men's toilets for years. I don't believe he suddenly feels unsafe there.
He could have continued in that way and done even more to draw attention to men's right to do so.
But no, he has to join in with the encroachment on women's rights.

There are lots of sexually dysfunctional behaviours and conditions that affect men who are interested in dressing as women and entering female only spaces, it's not just paedophilia

FarNorth what a disgusting post. No one has ever suggested Eddie has ever behaved as those two have.

Glorianny I stated that I was not suggesting anything about Izzard.
The point is, that none of those or any other admirable traits can guarantee that someone is trustworthy.
When 'those two' were still seen as lovable entertainers you'd have been happy to accept them as women.

If you are happy with mixed-sex toilets Glorianny that's up to you .
Those of us (the majority, I'd guess) who want single-sex toilets & other places, would like those places to actually be single-sex.

So because someone has gender issues and chooses to dress and present as a different gender their fundraising must be linked with paedophiles? Really I might have had some respect for the gender critical on GN unfortunately they've just destroyed it.
There is no link between Eddie and those men. Prince Charles raises money and runs a charity called the Prince's Trust. I take it it's OK to link him with Jimmy Saville? They were close and communicated regularly. He has more in common and closer ties to a paedophile than Eddie

I don't see why why people don't see this as a violation. He is playing a game with women's rights and he doesn't give a shiny shit

I don't care what he dresses as btw or what he calls himself but he is making a statement going into the females toilets accompanied by women, it's narrow minded to think that is fine