Are young people turning gay?

VioletSky

Just put the keywords directly into the search box of the Internet with the username doodledog that works fine.

Good luck

That’s very kind, VS, thank you. I know how to use the search box, but there must be dozens of threads containing my name, ‘pronouns’, ‘transwomen’ and ‘lesbians’.

Incidentally, I am in a zoom now (break time), and significantly fewer participants have pronouns on show. Correlation isn’t causation I know, but it’s surely no coincidence that this has happened at the same time that various organisations have pulled out of the diversity champion scheme. It shows how the ‘trend’ was far from voluntary - nothing was stopping people from keeping it going when the stranglehold was loosened.

Mollygo

VS
“You'd think anyone reading that might be kind wouldn't you?”
So are you saying you read it and you aren’t kind, so it couldn’t possibly mean you? Or are you saying we shouldn’t assume you are kind, whether you read it or not?

I’m confused by your post, but I wouldn’t like you to think I am making assumptions about you.

Ok

Thanks. I understand that those involved in your Bitchfest, (your word not mine) are not kind and that’s.
Ok.
Thanks for the clarification.
OK

Mollygo

Thanks. I understand that those involved in your Bitchfest, (your word not mine) are not kind and that’s.
Ok.
Thanks for the clarification.
OK

OK Mollygo

VioletSky
You have no morals, principles or boundaries. You continually defend the indefensible.

OK thanks

To go back to the OP, a small but interesting survey which seems to indicate that bi is the group who are lacking support. The main complaint against it being that it was run by Stonewall. That's OK you don't have to accept it if you don't want to.

Do you mean the main complaint on here? I don't think that's the case, really. The main complaint is that the research questions are flawed. Comparing different things and using one as a yardstick to indicate a rise in the incidence of the other is poor design, and suggests that the researchers were interested in manipulating the results.

MerylStreep

VioletSky
You have no morals, principles or boundaries. You continually defend the indefensible.

Oof!!

I don't agree with VS about trans issues, but that's a bit strong.

Genuinely only defend the rights afforded by the equality act to innocent law abiding trans people

I expect that does make me a bad person to some but not those who matter most to me

So here we are

Am actually quite touched

I might be an opinionated wretch but I'm doodledog's opinionated wretch

Minds me of how I met one of my best friends. We argued for years on the Internet and when we decided to leave an Internet forum, she sent me her phone number cos we couldn't be without each other.

We are still arguing strong to this day... also there is cake and brownies

I like it. VS admits everything I’ve said is true and says it’s OK.
I’m OK with that if she is and I’ll know she is if she says OK.
Go on VS.

You are at full liberty to think what you wish Mollygo

If you haven't gotten to know my real feelings on things by now, you either have a rubbish memory or that's what it suits you to believe

Arguing is futile

So think what you like, it changes exactly nothing

VioletSky

Am actually quite touched

I might be an opinionated wretch but I'm doodledog's opinionated wretch

Minds me of how I met one of my best friends. We argued for years on the Internet and when we decided to leave an Internet forum, she sent me her phone number cos we couldn't be without each other.

We are still arguing strong to this day... also there is cake and brownies

Eh?

Now who's making assumptions?

VS I have never attacked anyone for being under an umbrella without the T, that's their choice and they are still welcome to shelter with me.

I asked upthread but maybe you missed it. What umbrellas without the T are there? As far as I'm aware the only umbrella without the T is LGBAlliance who Mermaids have referred to the Charity Commission in an attempt to have their charity status rescinded. Stonewall were part of the process but then pulled out, but it doesn't stop them attempting to paint them as a transphobic hate group. The bully boys are determined that while the T may have exclusive groups lgb may not.

Yes, Rosie. They aren't being very kind about this, are they?

The Ts are pushing their way into LGB spaces as well as those of women of any and every sexuality. And all the while claiming to be marginalised and oppressed ?.

I don't follow Stonewall or mermaids so I'm not sure what you want me to do?

I'm only active in my intersectional feminist grouo and even then, well, taking on 3 million odd people is a bit much for me... you could try? Pantsuit nation on Facebook, go, have fun!

doodledog am heartbroken. I'll comfort myself with carrot cake

Doodledog

Yes, Rosie. They aren't being very kind about this, are they?

The Ts are pushing their way into LGB spaces as well as those of women of any and every sexuality. And all the while claiming to be marginalised and oppressed ?.

Yes and as you say, they are trying to interfere with not only the hard won rights of females, but the hard won rights of Lesbians and Gays
and even worse, which it seems is impossible for some to grasp, they have damaged the image of trans.

When someone mentions trans now, thanks to the actions of the few, mainly TIM, and their violent supporters, the first thing that comes to mind is not of a group of people wanting to live their lives unobtrusively as the opposite gender, but of TIM cheating, TIM invading female safe spaces, of TIM annexing the word ‘woman for their own ends etc.
To whom exactly are those TIM and fans being kind?

VioletSky

I don't follow Stonewall or mermaids so I'm not sure what you want me to do?

I'm only active in my intersectional feminist grouo and even then, well, taking on 3 million odd people is a bit much for me... you could try? Pantsuit nation on Facebook, go, have fun!

doodledog am heartbroken. I'll comfort myself with carrot cake

I suppose I wanted you to back up your statement there were other umbrellas without the T, which as far as I'm concerned there is only the one, which is under attack. I'm disappointed you seem ignorant of Mermaids' actions. As the transgender* children's charity who have so much input into schools I'd have expected you to have come across their activities a lot, especially as like them, you've endorsed 'positive affirmation'. With at least two of the trustees on their board being exposed as totally unfit to be within 10 miles of any child or policies pertaining to children you may not need to learn anything about them in the future. Google is your friend, there's plenty of information about theses scandals online.

VioletSky
I don't follow Stonewall or mermaids so I'm not sure what you want me to do?

Do you know, I’m sure I saw a post from VS
on the mermaids thread back in September.

Oh dear, very sorry to disappoint
you.

Quite happy with school policy. I don't know exactly what you think we do, we don't even teach about trans people.

Neither does the local secondary

We just support children if they open up to us about their feelings and pass on any concerns via relevant channels.

Unless you want me to tell children who are unhappy in their bodies to just "get over it" I'm not sure what I can do other than listen and comfort.

Is that OK?

Yes you did Mollygo... we were talking about "binders" though and that's what I talked about.

Like this thread it degenerated into " some are giving all trans people a bad image" which is a bit like saying "some women can't parallel park, so they make it look like all women can't park" which is utterly daft but... one of those nonsense beliefs many of us have heard eg : " blooming women drivers"

Maybe you should take a break and come back with a better argument that doesn't involve personal comments, assumptions or changing narratives

I'll wait

I can't parallel park btw

Lol

Goodnight happy people

VioletSky

Oh dear, very sorry to disappoint
you.

Quite happy with school policy. I don't know exactly what you think we do, we don't even teach about trans people.

Neither does the local secondary

We just support children if they open up to us about their feelings and pass on any concerns via relevant channels.

Unless you want me to tell children who are unhappy in their bodies to just "get over it" I'm not sure what I can do other than listen and comfort.

Is that OK?

Eh? Are you sure you read my post? I don't think I raised anything that would prompt those responses. Tell me where I said anything like Unless you want me to tell children who are unhappy in their bodies to just "get over it" I'm not sure what I can do other than listen and comfort. For someone who doesn't like people assuming about them, it would be ever so nice if you afforded others the same courtesy. An apology would be nice too.
I'm disheartened that you are unaware of the influence Mermaids have had on so many institutional policies. It's rather alarming that someone who works with children isn't aware they've gone into schools, police, social services etc promoting their idea of 'good practice' Goodness the Barbie to GI Joe scale was a standard presentation for so long!
If you prefer not to know these things then fine, you do you. I prefer to have the facts before I form opinions.
Is that OK?

Again with the dismissive "jokes" or do you think your failure to parallel park is interesting or relevant to this discussion?

VioletSky

I don't follow Stonewall or mermaids so I'm not sure what you want me to do?

I'm only active in my intersectional feminist grouo and even then, well, taking on 3 million odd people is a bit much for me... you could try? Pantsuit nation on Facebook, go, have fun!

doodledog am heartbroken. I'll comfort myself with carrot cake

There’s no need to be rude. I said that IMO saying that you had no morals or boundaries was a bit strong (you do defend the indefensible), not that I was adopting you.

And again- nobody has said they want you to do anything. Certainly not ‘take on’ 3 million people. Not every comment is directed at you, and nobody expects you (or any of us) to do very much. There is no need to take everything personally.

Obviously people might choose to take action, but on the whole this is a discussion about rights and wrongs, not a call to arms.

On the other hand, you often suggest that you give advice to people with dysphoria- maybe in that case it would make sense for you to familiarise yourself with Mermaids and Stonewall? How you can remain unaware of them whilst participating so vocally in threads line this one, never mind advising others is beyond me.

Oh dear