The Brexit Effect

halfpint1

I visited Yorkshire just before the referendum and was staggered by the anti Europe rhetoric spouted by my friends

Probably because they understood how bad CAP payments are to farming and how corrupt the whole system is.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590332220303559

growstuff

Katie59

Political persuasion played a part, the more right wing voted leave, regardless of age, education etc.

I think there was a cultural element, but that's quite difficult to define. People wiser than I have written books about it.

The most effective influence on voting in the EU referendum was newspapers readership.

The foreign billionaires and tax dodging proprietors of the most well read newspapers persuaded their gullible readers to vote for what was in their interest but certainly not in the interest of these gullible readers.

Unfortunately newspaper readers are very loyal to the Daily Expresss, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph and The Sun. But even so, some are just beginning to question the party line.

Dinahmo

DaisyAnne I don't think that those who admitted they made a mistake when voting to leave are experiencing a pile on. All changes of heart are gratefully received.

Well, good for you. I did.

Brexit wouldn’t happen if the vote was now - in 2022.

Katie59

Political persuasion played a part, the more right wing voted leave, regardless of age, education etc.

True.

But right wing voters tend to be older, so less likely to have had tertiary education.

Katie59

Political persuasion played a part, the more right wing voted leave, regardless of age, education etc.

I think there was a cultural element, but that's quite difficult to define. People wiser than I have written books about it.

Political persuasion played a part, the more right wing voted leave, regardless of age, education etc.

Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle voted to remain too. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain.

It was more complicated than simply North vs South.

The dividing lines included age, highest educational qualification and (don't ask me why) belief in the death penalty.

DaisyAnne I don't think that those who admitted they made a mistake when voting to leave are experiencing a pile on. All changes of heart are gratefully received.

nanna8

Funny how few people actually admit to voting to leave. Or who admit to voting Conservative. Maybe a little gnome changed all the votes in the middle of the night on behalf of the Brexiteers? My cousins in the UK voted to leave and said it was a North v South thing. They live in the North. My other London cousins voted to stay, more evolved, obviously.

I think that if you go back over the various threads you will find that the people who supported Remain are still posting now. We have not changed our opinions. There are many former Brexiteers who are admitting to possibly having made a mistake and good for them.

Perhaps one reason for your London cousins voting to Remain was that they were better educated? After all, the North regarded the Southerners as being the metropolitan elite.

halfpint1

I visited Yorkshire just before the referendum and was staggered by the anti Europe rhetoric spouted by my friends

It's a bit like burning witches. When people don't know or cannot change the reason why their life is not great they tend to find something/someone they can blame.

That doesn't make it right but an attempt to understand why these things happen might mean we can stop it in the future.

volver

Thank you for answering GG13.

Of course your vote made a difference. Everybody's vote makes a difference, especially in a Yes/No referendum.

It did. However, just as you expect people to accept you voted the way you did, it should surely be the case that those who voted leave, are willing to admit it and explain why, should not then find themselves the object of a pile-on from the remain voters.

I have to say that, in my opinion, neither side showed themselves up well at the referendum. The Leave side lied and the Remain side were arrogant enough to believe they must win.

The middle ground is a very good place to be. You can draw from the good ideas from both sides and ignore the bad from either - once you have worked out which is which

I think the huge ‘give us our country back’ placards that we saw on many farms had a massive effect on the vote. To this day I shudder when I think back to seeing them.

The split in the farmer's vote wasn't 'overwhelming'. Yes, more voted Leave than Remain but the split more nearly reflected the national (far from overwhelming) split.

Farmers that I knew (NE) were in despair at the result.

I think the N/S divide is partly explained by the fact that the North had been well and truly left behind after Thatcher oversaw the destruction of their traditional industries. Northern Leave voters thought that things couldn't get much worse and the Leave campaigners were offering growth and prosperity.

Of course, we had our share of elderly 'We managed before we joined, we'll manage when we've left' Leave voters, but didn't everywhere?

nanna8

Funny how few people actually admit to voting to leave. Or who admit to voting Conservative. Maybe a little gnome changed all the votes in the middle of the night on behalf of the Brexiteers? My cousins in the UK voted to leave and said it was a North v South thing. They live in the North. My other London cousins voted to stay, more evolved, obviously.

No, it wasn't as simple as north/south. All areas of Essex voted to leave, although my area was borderline (50.7 leave/49.3 remain). The east of England voted overwhelmingly to leave.

halfpint1

I visited Yorkshire just before the referendum and was staggered by the anti Europe rhetoric spouted by my friends

Believe me it was not just Yorkshire, farmers who had benefitted considerably from the EU were overwhelmingly leave voters, despite the NFU leaders lobbying for remain. No logic no explanation and the prospect of cheap food imports.

I visited Yorkshire just before the referendum and was staggered by the anti Europe rhetoric spouted by my friends

Thank you for answering GG13.

Of course your vote made a difference. Everybody's vote makes a difference, especially in a Yes/No referendum.

volver

GG13 I hope you don't think I'm badgering you, but you seem to be the only leave voter who comes here and is honest about the way they voted, without getting into the "nasty Europeans took our sovereignty" rhetoric.

Would you mind telling us why you though voting Leave was the way to go? What did you think it would achieve for Britain?

Of course you do not have to answer, if you don't want to. Thank you.

volver I have posted many times that I was firmly on the fence. I had no problem with the original concept of the EEC, I was uncomfortable with the signing of the Maastricht Treaty and was not a fan of the prospect of A United States of Europe.

I am probably odd for someone who eventually voted leave as free movement of people was not a problem, (we have a European DiL and GC). Immigration has happened since the beginning of time, my problem is the way successive U.K. Governments have not put in workable and efficient processes.

What finally made up my mind was all 5 AC were voting leave, it was/is their future and for the first time in my life I put a cross on my ballot still wavering

Our area had one of the biggest leave votes did my X make much difference, probably not, but I do wonder how many others felt/voted like me?

I am disappointed with the dogs breakfast (apologies to dogs) that was/is negotiations post referendum. Perhaps I was over optimistic with regards to the calibre of the U.K. negotiating delegation.

I am not far right or far left will vote Independent in the next GE if who I think is running does so.

Funny how few people actually admit to voting to leave. Or who admit to voting Conservative. Maybe a little gnome changed all the votes in the middle of the night on behalf of the Brexiteers? My cousins in the UK voted to leave and said it was a North v South thing. They live in the North. My other London cousins voted to stay, more evolved, obviously.

Whitewavemark2

Landmark speech by Michael Heseltine given at Liverpool university yesterday.

Outlines Brexit and the consequences as well as Tory policies that have got us to the state we are in.

Apologies I can’t do links, and it is far too long to cut and paste.

www.europeanmovement.co.uk/lord_heseltine_delivers_the_heseltine_institute_inaugural_lecture_tung_auditorium_yoko_ono_lennon_centre_university_of_liverpool_tuesday_november_15_2022_5_30_pm

GG13 I hope you don't think I'm badgering you, but you seem to be the only leave voter who comes here and is honest about the way they voted, without getting into the "nasty Europeans took our sovereignty" rhetoric.

Would you mind telling us why you though voting Leave was the way to go? What did you think it would achieve for Britain?

Of course you do not have to answer, if you don't want to. Thank you.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

HousePlantQueen

Yes thank MaizieD for sharing a very honest and straightforward article. Now...would any of you on here who called me (and others) a remoaner, told me to "suck it up" told me "we won, you lost, get over it" accused me of being unpatriotic..
How about an apology and an acknowledgement that you were wrong? I cannot express how angry I am at the impact your vote has had.on my future, my finances, my pensions. I am waiting.

I don't think that you'll get an apology. Most of the Leave voters don't come anywhere near Brexit threads...

It really is interesting to read the other interviews on that web site.

I must be the exception then?

I will not apologise for how I voted.

If you want someone/something to blame start with Mr.Cameron who gave the U.K. the referendum without thinking it through.

I will not deny that Brexit is having teething troubles, as long as it is also acknowledged that the pandemic and now the war in Ukraine is having a major impact on the U.K. finances as well as the rest of the globe.

Both have brought to the forefront how reliant we are on other countries, it’s time to move forward and look at being self sufficient in energy (preferably renewables) along with looking at many other areas here where the U.K. can be more self reliant.

Both have brought to the forefront how reliant we are on other countries...

As we will continue to be. No country is self-sufficient - all rely on trade with other nations, who have their own 'terms and conditions' in any deal.

The trade deal with Australia has left our farmers worse off.

The much lauded trade-deal with our special friend the USA hasn't even got off the starting blocks. And you can be sure that their policy of 'America First' is not going to give us the upper hand.

We left a huge market on our doorstep for pie in the sky.

As Jacob Rees-Mogg said, the benefits of Brexit may take decades.

Meanwhile, we all suffer the consequences of that "easiest deal in human history".

Landmark speech by Michael Heseltine given at Liverpool university yesterday.

Outlines Brexit and the consequences as well as Tory policies that have got us to the state we are in.

Apologies I can’t do links, and it is far too long to cut and paste.

There is of course one group that has benefitted immensely from Brexit.

Because of the volatility of sterling the currency speculators have made a killing. The close connections between MPs, even cabinet members to those companies, might lead a cynical person to suspect insider trading.

There should be a Public inquiry to examine just how much Tory MPs benefitted by currency trading.