The Brexit Effect

You would only export breeding stock, I’m pretty sure there would need to be a health declaration to satisfy destination country rules, there have been breeding cattle coming into the UK in recent months. Generally it’s much more efficient to export or import embryos or semen than actual animals

Grantanow

I read somewhere that every exported cow has to have an individual vet certificate. Is that right?

I had a look on the government website. It just talked of the required ear tags. Nothing about documentation.

gov.wales/exporting-uk-livestock-eu-1-january-2021

this is about documentation. not very helpful..

www.gov.uk/guidance/export-live-animals-special-rules#documents-to-transport-live-animals

I read somewhere that every exported cow has to have an individual vet certificate. Is that right?

Madness would be multiplied to the n'th degree if all EU standards no longer applied as is the policy of the ERG government.

The irony is that we do actually comply with EU standards because the rules were simply adopted into UK law wholesale, so far few if any have been changed. Because the EU is no longer allowed to verify standards every consignment has to be inspected.
Madness.

Why can they not see what the CBI and every British exporter can see -we cannot export to the EU without adhering the EU rules.?

Because of the disaster of Brexit exporters are now encumbered with huge amounts of beaurocracy but at least if they know their products conform to EU rules, they should be able to trade if we adhere to EU standards.

Do these ERG loons who seem to pull the strings of our "conservative government" actually want to turn their backs on EU standards and make exporting to the EU virtually impossible?

As I said Katie59 it's business as usual, i.e., a mess up.

At the CBI conference Sunak stated that there are no plans to adopt any EU rules so we can assume the current stand off with the EU will continue.

Yes, that is true MayBee70 but he needs to distance himself from the loonies - he has to manage the rest of his MPs who are rather more One Nation or worried about the next GE. Once in the top job one needs to take a more detached view in my opinion.

But Sunak is far closer to the loony right of the party than most of the electorate realise.

So now we have Farage, Frost and the loony Right of the Tory Party threatening Sunak over the Swiss story. He runs for cover straightaway and for good measure Jenrick is wheeled out to say the CBI is wrong about the need for a more practical immigration policy to put business back on its feet. Sunak should withdraw the whip from about 10 MPs on his benches so they can never stand again as Tories. Let them crash and burn as Faragists at the next GE. That would quieten down the rest of the loonies and we might get a sensible policy going forward. Otherwise, it's business as usual.

All this 'Swiss deal@ talk reminds me of the early days of the post Brexit vote when talk was of ,Norway, and 'Canada style' agreements.

It's all pie in the sky stuff that's still trying to preserve the illusion that the UK is free to chose what relationship we have with the EU. When in fact it's the EU that would be making choices.

Anyway, No. 10 seems to be desperately rowing back on that rumour...

Once again, I agree with you Katie. I don't know what or who has been behind the rumours about a Swiss style arrangement. It's all smoke and mirrors and politics. It could be a response to the polls and the government trying to give the impression it's doing something (but what do I know?) In reality, I don't think it has any solution. I think the Swiss agreement took 20 years to negotiate and, as you say, the EU doesn't like it, but its hand was forced.

The “Swiss arrangement” is a fact accompli engineered by the Swiss and has been a thorn in the EU side for many years. The EU allowed them to continue of favorable terms in the hope that they would fall in line with the rules, they havn’t, they continue to cherry pick the parts that suits them. Although commercial goods do go through customs borders it’s a very unsatisfactory system that suits the Swiss.

There is no way the EU will agree to the UK having similar arrangements, that is why they have been so intransigent with NI protocol,

Whitewave I think that's a response to the rumours that a "Swiss style" arrangement is being considered. The ERG crowd think Sunak has gone soft and they want an even "harder" Brexit.

“I don’t think that they will find the public so easily fooled now.”

They will do whatever the media tells them to !.

As predicted the right wing rags, the Bruge group and of course the ERG crowd are “warning” the government.

You know, it is almost as if the whole thing has been manipulated by them, after the result of the polls showing that a big majority now understand what a catastrophic mistake Brexit was.

I don’t think that they will find the public so easily fooled now.

They appear now to be on the wrong side of history.

a poll of GB News viewers has shown 55% would now Not vote for Brexit

Ha ha ha ha 😂 😆 😄 🤣

I don;t think you can blame the BBC. In order to balance the discussions they had to have people in favour of Brexit involved in the discussions.

Did you see Emily Maitlis talking about this in her McTaggart Lecture last summer?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzqezAV3x_8

It's a very debateable issue.

varian

The tide does seem to be turning as the elephant in the room becomes too hard to ignore.

Even the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation, which bears much responsibilty for relentlessly promoting Farage and his dangerous nonsense for years, actually broadcast an item on R4 "The World at One" to day where they openly discussed the damage done by Brexit and interviewed a regretful leave voter. (item started around 1.15pm).

Of course, this had to be "balanced" with an interview with Teresa Villiers, onetime NI Secretary who still talks about "Brexit freedoms" and tries to big up our puny post brexit trade deals. I wonder whether even she still believes this rubbish.

I don;t think you can blame the BBC. In order to balance the discussions they had to have people in favour of Brexit involved in the discussions. Sadly there were very few people who were prepared to talk about the benefits of leaving and so we had the likes of Farage, Digby Jones etc, all of whom were bigoted and a complete wast of space. i spent hours on and off shouting at the tv.

Now ITV news in the morning is much braver and they don't always manage to get govt ministers because the latter are cowards and don't want to be given a hard time.

Not quite the same. Brexit has made our economic woes much worse than the EU, then we had Liz Truss.

The EU economy is also dire - my sister lives in Cork and they are having the same economic problems as the UK

A word of caution - sensible I think on reflection


“Dmitry Grozoubinski
@DmitryOpines
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Re: "Switzerland Style Deal"

Have we learned nothing in 6 years?

You can and should ignore any Times/Telegraph story wherein "sources" say government ministers have unilaterally and without consultations with the EU decided on a new <country>-model form of EU-UK relations.”

HousePlantQueen

^I am still hoping that he is playing the waiting game, because the right wing rags would shriek blue murder if there was a tiny hint of Labour wanting closer relations^

That would be all the newspapers owned by Non Doms.

I am feeling slightly encouraged by the fact that even the BBC is talking about Brexit and not just ignoring the effects.

Yes - there is definitely a sea change.

I think that the tipping point had been reached as far as the British public are concerned together with many MPs.

The tail is still wagging the dog though.

The ERG and right wing press still have the government in its grip though, so Sunak’s hand is always going to be tied.

Not so Starmer if he wins the next election.

I am still hoping that he is playing the waiting game, because the right wing rags would shriek blue murder if there was a tiny hint of Labour wanting closer relations

That would be all the newspapers owned by Non Doms.

I am feeling slightly encouraged by the fact that even the BBC is talking about Brexit and not just ignoring the effects.